I randomly crossed path with {{Wi}}, a template created in 2022 by Nightlily to replace [[Wikipedia: | ]]. I was quite surprised to learn of its existence, since it was only very briefly discussed on Discord at the moment of its creation, and is currently only used on 600+ pages, mainly because it was added to a couple of templates and is now transcluding all over the place.
My main gripe with this template is that it should have been discussed on SH very early on to establish a consensus regarding it's use, so here I am creating a SH about it to see what we want to do with this.
As ecks already noted on Discord, this template is currently in infraction of our linking policy, as the "Formatting" subsection explicitly cover the exact use of [[Wikipedia: | ]]. And thus if we want to keep it, we need to rewrite that policy.
Note that this template could be used in various ways: prose, infoboxes, templates, etc. NanoLuukeCloning Facility 18:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Discussion[]
- I don't know much what to think of it, it's certainly less useful than {{Film}}, but also we already use similar shortcut template, like two I used while writing this SH (Tl and U), so in itself, that not really a counter argument for me. My personal main use of Wikipedia linking come from my everyday use of {{WebCite}} and it's work parameter, which I have populated with hundreds and hundreds of formatted Wikipedia links, and while Wi work for formatted links ({{Wi|IGN|''IGN''}} = IGN), I don't really mind typing 8 characters instead of 2 whenever I use a WP link. I'm pretty neutral about it overall. NanoLuukeCloning Facility 18:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I haven't really been opposed to templates in prose, and I think this template would be helpful, particularly for the cookbook recipes' BTS sections. I think allowing the template's usage in MOS but keeping it optional would be a good way to go. JediMasterMacaroni(Talk) 19:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am far from being a member of the informal group of technical-minded wookieepedians responsible for our templates and bots and whatnot, but my view is that this doesn't really seem to be all that necessary? If [[Wikipedia: | ]] still works in prose for examples like JMasterMac has provided, linking to real-world OOU subjects in cookbook recipes in relevant BTS sections, then I don't exactly see any need to have a separate template. Fan26 (Talk) 20:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think the advantage of the template is it is shorter while typing than to use the full link. ThrawnChiss7
Assembly Cupola 02:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think the advantage of the template is it is shorter while typing than to use the full link. ThrawnChiss7
- Personally (as someone who also would oppose using {{Film}} in prose, as is also not required in policy at the moment); I'd prefer we didn't. Or at the very minimum, definitely don't make using the template mandatory. Templates within prose break its flow and make it not-prose, and are generally just annoying to work with both editing wise and aesthetically in an edit window.—spookywillowwtalk 02:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- References are way more brutal in this regards, especially in some OOU articles when they are populated with web citations :P . NanoLuukeCloning Facility 09:42, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Per Spooky. Templates in prose feel out of place. There's nothing wrong with [[Wikipedia:|]] anyways. Bonzane10
black belt in card-jitsu 03:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'd support the usage of Wi. I personally couldn't care less about templates being used in prose (particularly the Film example since it saves so much typing and/or copy-pasting), and, apart from being shorter, Wi also has the advantage of use without having to pipelink, i.e.
{{Wi|IGN}}
gives you IGN while[[Wikipedia:IGN]]
instead gives you Wikipedia:IGN so you still have to pipelink. Imperators II(Talk) 07:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)- Still needs to be formatted properly with italic: {{Wi|IGN|''IGN''}}... unless we do something like ''{{Wi|IGN}}'', and now I would really see the benefit. Or adding a parameter that would looks like {{Wi|IGN|i}} NanoLuukeCloning Facility 09:42, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah sorry I just grabbed the IGN example there, it wasn't necessarily meant to refer to links that have to be formatted anyway. Imperators II(Talk) 12:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Still needs to be formatted properly with italic: {{Wi|IGN|''IGN''}}... unless we do something like ''{{Wi|IGN}}'', and now I would really see the benefit. Or adding a parameter that would looks like {{Wi|IGN|i}} NanoLuukeCloning Facility 09:42, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Per the other supporters, I have no qualm with using templates in prose so this seems completely logical to me. Simpler and more intuitive. Tommy-Macaroni (he/they) 07:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Per Imp. NBDani
(they/them)Yeager's Repairs 12:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think we should use templates in prose. The current method is easy and intuitive. Xd1358 (Talk) 09:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's been two years since I made that template, but I made sure to get permission from the staff on Discord before creating it. If I recall correctly, they granted me the green light to proceed; without their approval, I wouldn't have gone through with it. I do believe that this template is necessary for the wiki due to my personal experience. It is super stressful and frustrating to constantly type out the full "[[wikipedia:Topic|Topic]]"; every time I link to Wikipedia; it is far quicker and easier to type "{{Wi|Topic}}." Possess you. That is what I say when people sneeze. 😉–Nightlily (sing your song) 18:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- This was an oversight on the part of those admins. That's ok, but anyway, that's not the reason of this SH, since the aim is to see if we really want to allow this in the long run, and I plan to propose a multi-part CT fairly soon to see the exact consensus on this. Also, as a quick reminder, per the MoS, when pipelinking, italics should be inside the brackets ([[ |'' '']]) not outside (''[[ | ]]''). NanoLuukeCloning Facility 22:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)