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Does anyone else think we should rename it Gender?[]

It's a little more understood, and we don't have to make it confused with reproduction. I mean, it is probably poked fun at a lot. Just a suggestion, but there isn't a major problem with it. Billythecorndog (talk) 18:55, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

• I don't see any reason to move it; it's fine as is. Cevan (talk) 18:57, February 7, 2016 (UTC)
  • Sex and Gender are two different things anyway. Sex is biological. Gender is a social and cultural concept/state of being. So it would be incorrect to use them interchangeably like that. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 19:02, February 7, 2016 (UTC)
    • Why has gender been added now? NoahR9 ^{Chat with me!} 12:45, August 20, 2016 (UTC)
• I agree with you. I’d rename it too. First Emperor of the Global Empire (talk) 19:30, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

Is an "Appearances" really needed?[]

I'm saying this for both the Legends version and the Canon version of the article. Nearly every Star Wars work has gender in them. --LoLuX12 (talk) 02:05, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

• An appearances section is generally standard. However, sometimes in cases like this, we limit such a section to only instances in which the subject is specifically referenced. It might not be a bad idea to have such a section for that on this article. ProfessorTofty (talk) 00:26, April 11, 2016 (UTC)
  • I agree. We should treat the appearances section like the one on the galaxy. Cwedin^(talk) 00:33, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Nonbinary gender[]

As the new EU has introduced characters who are nonbinary, the page might benefit by mentioning this.Mcc1789 06:59, July 22, 2019 (UTC)

Preferences[]

I would much rather prefer this article to be called Genders instead of Sexes, as “Sexes” is rather outdated and can be confused with any other definition which I won’t mention. Why is it not called “Genders”? Someone, please explain in this thread. First Emperor of the Global Empire (talk) 19:29, September 11, 2020 (UTC)

• Because "sex" is the formal and appropriate term for the biological division. "Gender" is more social or flexible in its definition, and though often used interchangeably, is not exactly the same as "sex." Also, the word sounding dirty is irrelevant to whether or not it should be the title of the article. Any mature person knows what this article is about. For the other topic, we have Reproduction. MasterFred(talk) 20:07, September 11, 2020 (UTC)
  • Currently, this page discusses all three topics of sex, gender, and reproduction rather interchangeably. Most of the information pertaining to reproduction should of course be moved to that page, and in a similar sense I don't think it's out of the picture to discuss creating a page for gender, since as you note they are indeed different terms. RattsT (talk) 20:20, September 11, 2020 (UTC)
    • Yeah, this page is not great, but the title isn't the issue. If someone wants to detail how gender works and is perceived in the Star Wars universe, I'm all for a separate article. MasterFred(talk) 06:01, September 12, 2020 (UTC)
      • Agreed, and something to consider would be to have a |sex= and |gender= parameter in the infoboxes. I think it's entirely appropriate--Vitus Infinitus^Talk 15:20, September 12, 2020 (UTC)
• I added {{Overhual}} as gender and sex need to be separated/re-written. This was brought up again because Keo Venzee identifies as non-binary with they/them pronouns--Vitus Infinitus^Talk 14:51, October 2, 2020 (UTC)
• Yeah this DEFINITELY needs to be renamed "genders." Think of it this way. When do we have canonical evidence of what a given character looks like naked? Luke and Leia were canonically assigned male and female at birth because it happened onscreen. A few characters are canonically seen shirtless. A few characters canonically discuss the sex of their bodies. Most don't though. When we get introduced to Rando McSideCharacter with he/him pronouns, that's canonical evidence that his GENDER is male. We don't see whether his flat chest is the result of surgery, binding, or the SRY gene. [Redacted by administration]. Dārilaros (talk) 12:21, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
• On the other hand, Immi Thrax and I are having trouble finding sources that actually refer to "sex." By contrast, the term gender is used in a number of sources, and also better matches the content that this page contains than sex does. VergenceScatter (talk) 16:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Reflecting that research, the article has been extensively rewritten with portions about reproduction moved to that article. Here's the entirety of what we found that uses the term sex/es in canon: 1) Asajj Ventress in Dark Disciple telling Quinlan Vos to get over not wanting to hit a woman because "Then every woman you fight is going to win. An enemy is an enemy, Vos, regardless of size, species—or sex." 2) Garazeb Orrelios thinking of Ezra Bridger in The Rebellion Begins, "On Lasan, if a member of the opposite sex didn't like you, you showed them your talents until they did." 3) Sinjir Rath Velus thinking in Aftermath: Empire's End that he "knows body language, and a lot of that transcends species, sex, age." and 4) Tusken Raider issue of Star Wars Helmet Collection (11): "Tusken culture saw a clear definition between the sexes." That's it. Immi Thrax (talk) 01:28, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
  • I second those who posted above on this. Gender and sex should be separated. They are in reality by many people, and this seems to be the case for the Star Wars universe (the nonbinary characters, for instance). I don't know whether this has been discussed in any material yet, though a brief definition to distinguish them seems acceptable regardless. Thus far interestingly enough there are no binary trans characters I'm aware of. Having nonbinary ones would be enough for it however.Mcc1789 03:07, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Sooooo sorry...2 things[]

I know this has been discussed, but I just noticed on one clone's page that the following category has been added. I am now curious. 1. Two of the categories assigned for this page are "Individuals with unspecified pronouns" and "Males". I understand that one does not imply the other, but then I saw that the info box lists "male" for "gender". Gender, which is something that should be self-identified, should be more indicative of pronoun, should it not? But if "male" is listed as gender, then should the pronoun be "him/he"? Sex is male. Gender is not necessarily so. Of course, the best example for this specific page would be CT-6/774's sister, who was born as male, as in sex, but identified as female, thus "she". It seems logical in the info box to change "gender" to "sex". There is nothing wrong with this word. 2. I do understand that if a person's gender or identified pronoun isn't used in official media, then the pronoun is unspecified, but "he" and similar pronouns are littered throughout the article. This isn't indicative of unspecified pronouns. Should perhaps an alternate pronoun be used when writing articles that fall under this category be used? I think "zhe/zher" would be great because it is Basic Galactic. Red Heathen (talk) 08:28, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

For clarity: Sex and Gender should be considered as separate but entwined[]

If "Sex" redirects here, I think it should be clarified that gender (personal/social) and sex (biological) are herein considered as two different things, especially when alien species and droids are in the equation. A droid does not have a physical sex but can have "gendered programming." Likewise, there's a difference between an alien creature being biologically sexless (EG, no physical role in reproduction) vs. a person who chooses to cross or live outside their culture's expected gender roles, eg, non-binary, trans, or species equivalent. I think the distinction is important as they can have different social/cultural connotations.

I feel like there's a lot of noodly talk going on here that makes things a little confusing/unclear, and a lot of it could be cleared up by simply explaining that Gender is a social role (which varies by culture) based upon a person's Sex, and that some people reject these roles, while others embrace them, while others still enforce them on others, while others dismiss them altogether. This allows the two to be discussed separately but with an understanding of the way they are intertwined. Sex can be one paragraph, gender another.

The existence of (diegetic) sexism might also be worth mentioning in this article somewhere. EG:

"If we can just avoid any more female advice, we ought to be able to get out of here." -Han Solo

EDIT: It looks like several other people have suggested this before me, for many years. This change should really be implemented.

38.39.90.4 14:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)