Dathomirian/Legends[]
- Nominated by: AmazinglyCool
(talk) 04:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC) - Nomination comments: Sold my soul to write up a Wookieepedia page about 20 years of retcons :P
- Word count at nomination time: 3877 words (364 introduction, 1899 body, 1614 behind the scenes)
- WookieeProject (optional): WP:ALIENS, WP:NOVELS, WP:TCW
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DFaceG[]
The intro effectively mentions the capability of growing hair being a sexually dimorphic trait twice, which is redundant. One should be removed. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 06:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)- Addressed. AmazinglyCool (talk) 01:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Addressed. AmazinglyCool
Speaking of the sexually dimorphic traits, these would be a result of the different biological sexes of the species, not their gender. A transfem Dathomirian would likely naturally still have head horns and be unable to grow hair, for example. (I'm assuming you're aware of this, this is more me pointing out the language used to describe their sexual dimorphism)- Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 06:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)- I just looked over it again, can you let me know the specific spots where I used incorrect language? AmazinglyCool (talk) 01:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm specifically suggesting against using just "males" and "females" to refer to individuals with the sexually dimorphic traits. I don't think that terms like afab/amab exist in-universe but perhaps you could find a way to convey that the traits are attributed to individuals assigned those genders at birth rather than all individuals of those genders. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 19:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- How does it look now? AmazinglyCool (talk) 22:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- How does it look now? AmazinglyCool
- I'm specifically suggesting against using just "males" and "females" to refer to individuals with the sexually dimorphic traits. I don't think that terms like afab/amab exist in-universe but perhaps you could find a way to convey that the traits are attributed to individuals assigned those genders at birth rather than all individuals of those genders. - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 19:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I just looked over it again, can you let me know the specific spots where I used incorrect language? AmazinglyCool
ThrawnChiss7[]
- You'll need a lot more sources/appearances here. Just a very quick glance but LEGO Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Out (and book). Sources (with {{po}}) include Star Wars and History, Star Wars Year By Year: A Visual History, New Edition (and presumably it's previous editions, many starwars.com articles (check Wookieepedia:Sources/Web/1999, Wookieepedia:Sources/Web/2000 for example, and I'm betting there are probably hundreds of web articles over the years that have a picture of Maul or Ventress. ThrawnChiss7
Assembly Cupola 17:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Youre missing a whole bunch of Topps cards (many of them can be found at tcdb, and the ones you do have should be linked. ThrawnChiss7 Assembly Cupola 17:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just to document so far. I have gone through: the websources for 1996-2001, the sources you mentioned above, SW Gamer, all CCG and TCG cards, and most of the Topps cards. All I have left are the Force Attax Topps cards, the rest of Ventress' topps cards, Mythos figures, Hasbro figures, Lego sets, and the rest of the web sources as well as the german CW Magazine. AmazinglyCool (talk) 22:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Another update about a month later: Mythos is done, Hasbro is done, Lego is done, Topps will be done by the end of today, years for web sources completed are 1996-2002 (or 3) and 2012-2014. I've also discovered some other stuff I need to add, but I can estimate to be done around the end of June-early July depending on whether I can even find the German CW mag. AmazinglyCool (talk) 21:16, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just to document so far. I have gone through: the websources for 1996-2001, the sources you mentioned above, SW Gamer, all CCG and TCG cards, and most of the Topps cards. All I have left are the Force Attax Topps cards, the rest of Ventress' topps cards, Mythos figures, Hasbro figures, Lego sets, and the rest of the web sources as well as the german CW Magazine. AmazinglyCool
- The German Clone Wars Magazine has articles about Savage Opress and Asajj Ventress, including a picture at least on the cover. ThrawnChiss7 Assembly Cupola 17:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Youre missing a whole bunch of Topps cards (many of them can be found at tcdb, and the ones you do have should be linked. ThrawnChiss7
Modern precedent is to use {{CWMCite}} for listing Star Wars: The Clone Wars Magazine. ThrawnChiss7 Assembly Cupola 17:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)- Done, I just need to make the redlinks. AmazinglyCool (talk) 02:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Done, I just need to make the redlinks. AmazinglyCool
- I am not really favor in of this (Forum:SH:Repubished media in Appearances/Sources), but until it's changed by CT reprints of Insider articles should be listed. I'm sure there are many, but I was able to quickly check and
"My Star Wars" — Star Wars Insider: Aliens, Creatures, and Droids contains a picture of Maul. Some Star Wars - The Official Magazine articles have pictures of Maul, as seen by scrolling to the bottom of this page. ThrawnChiss7 Assembly Cupola 17:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- I've done the Insider stuff, in the process of making the redlinks now. I'm still in the process of getting access to the Official Magazine issues I'll need to look through. AmazinglyCool (talk) 22:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I've done the Insider stuff, in the process of making the redlinks now. I'm still in the process of getting access to the Official Magazine issues I'll need to look through. AmazinglyCool
Featured article nomination requirement #1 includes that the article be "comprehensively detailed". Covering the Battle of Dathomir in a single sentence is not detailed enough. In addition, the actions and fate of Garfield and Cyrus should be expanded in the "Behind the scenes". ThrawnChiss7 Assembly Cupola 17:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)- How's it look now? AmazinglyCool (talk) 21:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Striking for now, I still need to do a full review for comprehensiveness though. ThrawnChiss7 Assembly Cupola 23:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Striking for now, I still need to do a full review for comprehensiveness though. ThrawnChiss7
- How's it look now? AmazinglyCool
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- Hi, congratulations, it's one of the most impressive work I have seen lately. Nevertheless, I would like to point something that raise concern to me. It's about the retcon of Gethzerion as a Dathomoirian. I don't have problem with such retcons usually but here it appears problematic for me. The old sources clearly indicate that Gethzerion is a member of the Djo family, a family of Humans... I think the authors of the Reader's Companion just forgot that point when they made the retcon. It's indeed possible to imagine that Augwynne Djo found a Zabrak at some point to have child with him... And therefore Gethzerion would be the only non-human of the family but this would be completely at odds with the spirit of the original novel. I'm curious to see the general opinion about that but, in my opinion, I really think we should assume that the retcon is a mistake. Best, Hk 47 (talk) 13:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well it being at "odds with the spirit of the original novel" doesn't mean it's incorrect. As you pointed out, there is a way it can work without much issue so I think it's better to assume the retcon is fine and keep moving forward. AmazinglyCool (talk) 01:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well it being at "odds with the spirit of the original novel" doesn't mean it's incorrect. As you pointed out, there is a way it can work without much issue so I think it's better to assume the retcon is fine and keep moving forward. AmazinglyCool