Talk: Kyle

Kyle (Chief)?[]

Is there a reason to assume that transporter chief Kyle from SNW is not Kyle from TOS? I mean, the actor is Asian and the original one was white but we already have Robert April in a similar situation in the same episode. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 17:53, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

So certainly a consideration before assuming too much, but a one-off cartoon character replaced vs. a fairly prominent, if not well-established character with multiple appearances being entirely rewritten and replaced is a much bigger stretch, given that they otherwise remained true to other (mostly) comparable characters, such as Uhura, M'Benga, and Chapel. –Gvsualan (talk) 17:56, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Maybe ask the show runners on twitter as multiple sites claiming to have talked to CBS claim it’s the samecharacter.Baggins (talk) 03:45, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Multiple, you say? --Gvsualan (talk) 10:26, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Don't you think, this Kyle is meant to be the same character Kyle? It is also mentioned on that page's background information that the character will appear on SNW:

"Chief Kyle is the Starship Enterprise's transporter chief. Strange New Worlds reconceives the character from Star Trek: The Original Series originally played by John Winston. Before he joined the cast of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, Andre Dae Kim appeared in American Gods and Locke and Key." [1]

– The preceding unsigned comment was added by MTeetrinker (talk • contribs).

I think it's possible that he's the same character, but at the same time Screenrant is not a reliable source. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 07:59, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand this disambiguation convention "(Chief)", since even TOS era Kyle was still called Chief Kyle, from Transporter Chief... Which both characters share the role and position... It's not just Screenrant stating they are the same character either. It's quite obvious they definitely referencing the name as a nod back to character in original trek... It's matter of putting two and two together... and Occam's razor...

Which makes for this amusing comment:

"The transporter chief in Strange New Worlds is called “Chief Kyle” played by André Dae Kim. In The Original Series, another backup transporter officer named “Chief Kyle” was played by John Winston."[2]

Surely "Kyle (SNW)" would be better more accurate disambiguation title... because clearly "Kyle (Chief)" needs to be disambiguated too ;)... Baggins (talk)

"Chief" is in-universe. SNW is not. "Chief" is simpler than "transporter chief". The "Kyle" was in a LOT of TOS episodes. This Kyle hasn't been in a lot of episodes yet.

Seriousy, before spending time ranting, just sit down and learn some of the site policies and practices. -- Sulfur (talk) 02:01, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

yes and In-universe both are Chief Kyle, both are transporter chiefs of the Enterprise, both have been called Chief Kyle.Baggins (talk) 18:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

That is really the least of your concerns, because, as suggested above, surely new contributors need to first read how to indent, and secondly read what a valid source is...of which, those D-list fanwank sites listed above, certainly are not members of. –Gvsualan (talk) 13:56, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

AJ and I spoke at length with Trevor Roth, and he said they're meant to be the same character. I mentioned the confusion/controversy this causes within the fan community, and he said they try to research thoroughly before they reference or reuse existing characters (and ships, species, etc.) so that they know what the canon is, but that they then sometimes bend the canon to fit a story need. He also said they were attempting to bring more diversity to the casts of the various series; that TOS was heavily weighted towards white males (a product of its time), but that they didn't want to perpetuate that. I asked why they didn't just create a new character that was Asian rather than reusing an existing one, and he said that then people would say "Who's this new guy, and where's Kyle?", so they just went with changing Kyle to an Asian. -- Renegade54 (talk) 15:48, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I dunno, either way it pretty much evoked the same response: "Who's this new guy, and where's Kyle?" The old guy was English...which was in itself a diversity thing that made him unique, this move was just little more than lip service to the fans, recreating something that was only artificially broken.

And more diversity? really? I can point to, I dunno: James, or Harrison, or this transporter guy, or even this Pike-contemporary transporter guy, without evoking any willful suspension of disbelief to fulfill the same ends, without so many wtfs?! –Gvsualan (talk) 16:28, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I know, I know... I didn't say I agreed with their reasoning, I'm just regurgitating what he said. :) I agree that it could've been handled much better without a single wtf. If they wanted a bit of fan service, they could've had Kyle just be a one-shot as a nod to TOS... maybe at this point in time, he's in training to take over as transporter chief from the Asian guy, or something like that. Anyway... -- Renegade54 (talk) 18:40, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Or hello, Sulu??

...anyway, with that said, on the 8th Day they stirred the pot once more....and the pages have been so merged. –Gvsualan (talk) 18:57, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Now I wonder if this same logic now applies to J.M. Colt<-->Colt... --Gvsualan (talk) 19:09, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Renegade, could you post a link to this conversation with Trevor Roth? If the conversation can't be cited, I think the merge should be reversed. --Crossover Fan001 (talk) 01:24, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

i disagree. It was part of a Fandom event admins were invited to participate with individuals such as Roth, and Renegade's word should be as good as if it were any other comparable in-person conversation one might have...otherwise he wouldn't be an admin and able to represent this site in those types of events. –Gvsualan (talk) 01:35, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Unless an episode or a showrunner says otherwise, I am of the opinion the Kyle of SNW is a different individual than the Kyle of TOS and WOK and I feel they should have separate articles. People can have the same surnames or be related. The first half of SNW Season 1 has a Lt. Kirk but it's obviously not James T. I mean, they could have recast Chapel with a non-white actress, but they didn't. They want the series to be considered part of canon, but while Paramount has long considered TAS to not be canon (so therefore the April situation does not count because the April of TAS officially is not canonical), it does consider TOS and WOK to be canon, so a fundimental change in a long-standing character (and the template for O'Brien in TNG) makes it harder to support that argument. 23skidoo (talk) 23:58, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

TAS has been considered to be canon by CBS/Paramount since the mid 2000s as part of the marketing push for the DVD release.Tuskin38 (talk) 14:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Also, um, as previously stated: Trevor Roth....so clearly your opinion does not apply. –Gvsualan (talk) 13:28, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

And the best we could do for citing this conversation, since it was face-to-face in person, is to have AJ corroborate, since he was there as well. I'd like to have something written to point to, but... I don't. -- Renegade54 (talk) 17:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)