Talk: Una Chin-Riley

Una as Canon name[]

So around the 41.11 mark of Such Sweet Sorrow Part 2, Pike refers to #1 as "Una". I guess we can officially give her a name.--Jkirk8907 (talk) 03:01, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

I'm in the UK and although I suspect it's an error, the subtitles actually say NOONA. --46.208.173.120 08:28, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

Moving the page wasn't a minor edit. -- Compvox (talk) 08:39, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

Subtitles are notoriously inaccurate when it comes to spelling, as they are usually written by someone not directly associated with the production. 31dot (talk) 09:01, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

But how do we know if it's Una or Noona then? It seems guesswork either way (yes I know Una was used in Beta cannon but that doesn't actually confirm it's right) --46.208.173.120 09:03, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, Don't make drastic page moves like this without having at least three legs to stand on to support it and based on the above, when there is obviously some doubt. --Alan (talk) 11:47, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

Or even better, follow the guideline for renaming things. As far as that's concerned, this page hasn't been suggest for a rename at all. - Archduk3 12:20, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

Here's a Screencap from Netflix

Maybe its an encoding problem and its supposed to be №Ona. 😅--Shisma

Meanwhile apparently CBS subtitles transcribe it as "and uh". I think any move proposals here are premature, it's ambiguous at best. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 14:48, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

In the CBS All Access US closed captioning, and in my opinion of what I'm hearing: https://ibb.co/Tg8x1sF "Report back to the bridge, I'm going you the conn. And, uh, Admiral,... do everything you can to buy Burnham more time." It's also worth noting at the end of the episode, when given the chance to provide her name, she again says: "Number One." - AJ Halliwell (talk) 14:50, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

I watched the episode again this morning. The close caption yesterday was not synching with the episode itself. I did not see a name given to this character in the close caption.--Memphis77 (talk) 15:36, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

Maybe someone could ask the writers/producers on twitter? Sometimes they respond. Also AJ, she was asked to give Name and Position, we only heard her said Number One, should could have given her name off screen.--Tuskin38 (talk) 16:46, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn’t use Noona or an alternate spelling as more than a note and disambiguation for Number One, because for all we know it could just be Pike having fun with her preference for the title, aside from the latter being favored since 1964. --PreviouslyOn24 (talk) 17:41, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

One of the writers for the episode, Michelle Paradise, confirmed to TrekCore that it was indeed Una: http://trekcore.com/blog/2019/04/interview-star-trek-discovery-season-finale-michelle-paradise/ Rekkert (talk) 18:29, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

But we still don’t know what Pike meant in-canon. She insists on the title, Pike makes up Una as a joke. --PreviouslyOn24 (talk) 19:28, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

That is speculation, as we are not mind readers. The executive producer admitted that they named the character Una, which is her one of her names from the non-canon.--Memphis77 (talk) 19:35, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

I have added a note about the name in the bginfo.--Memphis77 (talk) 19:43, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

I think the article should stay as Number One. I have a feeling Una is another nickname Pike had for her. Appalachia Actual (talk) 21:56, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

That's still just speculation though.--Tuskin38 (talk) 22:15, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

It's not speculation. See below. Geronimo! (talk) 22:31, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

• TREKCORE: "Rebecca Romijn’s Number One went by ‘Commander’ or simply ‘Number One’ for most of her time on-screen, but it sounded like Pike did call her ‘Una’ one time during the finale — the character’s name from the Star Trek tie-in novels. It wasn’t in the captions, so can you confirm we heard that correctly?
• PARADISE: Oh yes, it was Una.

I meant it being a nickname is speculation, not the name itself.--Tuskin38 (talk) 22:33, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

I support renaming the page to Una. If anyone is interested here is an excerpt from the novel Captain to Captain discussing her name: --NetSpiker (talk) 02:58, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

"Doctor, Captain Una of the USS Yorktown". That was not her real name, Kirk knew, but her actual Illyrian sobriquet was supposed to be all but impossible for outsiders to pronounce, so she had adopted the name "Una" at least as far back as her Academy days. A prodigy raised in an independent colony in the Illyrian system that prized personal excellence above all else, she had always been first in her class when it came to academics, athletics, intellect and accomplishments, so she had been known as "Number One" – or "Una" – even before she rose to the rank of first officer under Pike.

At this point we can't be sure if it's not Pike's nickname for her like "Owo" for Owosekun. At the hearing she calls herself just "Number One", which implies it's more than just a reference to her being first officer. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 04:53, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Hi, on Netflix french version and in subtitles we read and hear "Noona". C-IMZADI-4 (talk) 07:10, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

The episode writer has unambiguously stated what the character's name is, so I'm not sure what there is left to discuss. As I note above, subtitles are very inaccurate in terms of spelling(in English or French). 31dot (talk) 07:38, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

The writer confirmed that that is what Pike called her, but it's ambiguous whether it's her name or nickname based on her actual name really being "Number One". JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 07:46, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

According to this Tweet by Greg Cox (one of the people involved in naming her), Una is a proper first name. [1]--Memphis77 (talk) 08:06, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

It is in the books, but it's ambiguous in the show, which Greg Cox is not involved in. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 08:47, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Greg Cox was quoting a Wikipedia article that incorrectly claims Una is her first name. It's actually an alias because her real name is hard to pronounce. --NetSpiker (talk) 09:13, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

I accept her name is "Una", but the page title should remain "Number One". Regardless to the fact it's Pike's nickname for her, she chooses to go by it over her real name (when asked during the debrief, she answered "Number One" when asked her name). Even if she was doing it to be arrogant and condescending, it's what she is best known by and most often called. If anything, I would support renaming the page to "Number One (Una)" to better distinguish the page from the general use of the title/nickname "Number One" in Trek in general (or more specifically, Picard's use of it with Riker). --Brch2 (talk) 10:06, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

The precedent would be to leave the page at Number One since it seems to be her preferred moniker. We do the same thing for Rodek and Ash Tyler, even though those aren't their "real" names. - Archduk3 11:37, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Rodek and Ash Tyler are specific aliases that only apply to one character, while "Number One" is a generic alias that can refer to any first officer. Therefore, "Una" would be more appropriate. --NetSpiker (talk) 12:12, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

You're confusing Number One and number one. - Archduk3 12:20, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

The production source does carry weight, but in-universe, when asked her name she says "Number One". And Romijn is credited in all appearances as "Number One". "Una" could be anything in-universe. I'm inclined to leave the name as-is. I think the redirect, the bg note, and the AKA cover this pretty well. -- Compvox (talk) 23:34, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

btw. the German audio also clearly states Noona, the subtitles also read Noona, even thought the sentence is structured differently then in the audio. It sometimes seems to me as if the translators have access to some sort of source material. But different teams seem to work on audio an subtitle translation. Nevertheless i'd stick to Number One as her official name. In this context Noona could be a personal nickname. --Shisma

Probably whoever was making the English subtitles misheard it, and then subtitles in other languages were based on that. The writer confirmed it's Una. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 10:32, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

In universe, Number One was being a smart-ass throughout her entire debrief (or at least all but one of the statements we saw her give). She was asked her name and rank. Number One is not her name, but it is a smart-ass reference to her real name, which is Una (feminine form of "one" in several Latin languages, and a proper real name). Number One is also not her "rank", it is her "position" on the ship (though indirectly alludes to what her rank likely is or should be). Her saying Number One was a smart-ass way of answering the question without actually answering the question (assuming she didn't answer it properly before we cut into her answer, and her saying "Number One" wasn't simply her saying something like "...but I go by/everybody calls me Number One".

And as for suggesting that Una is a nickname... given that he called her that in the most serious situation we've seen them in together up to that point, makes it LESS likely to be a rarely used or other nickname. He was more likely using her real name due to the seriousness of the situation calling for more seriousness, cutting the use of nicknames, and addressing her by her proper name to convey his tone at the time. Giving her an order to take command of the bridge moments before a large chunk of his ship is about to explode, and many of his crew possibly get killed, is not the time that he's going to switch to using a nickname (if Number One were her actual legal name and what he usually calls her), or otherwise switch from a common nickname to a rarely used one when using her real name would be the proper thing to do at that moment. --Brch2 (talk) 11:15, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

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Just want to point out that Una is also a real life name, infact there is a popular Star Trek novel writer with that as a first name.--Tuskin38 (talk) 16:55, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Pike was using his "Owo" nickname for Owosekun also in very serious situations. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 20:06, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

The argument that the staffer with headphones and a keyboard who typed up the subtitles is a more reliable source for the spelling of the character's name than the writer of the episode itself is an incredibly spurious argument. If you hadn't seen the script (as we hadn't) and heard the ambiguous audio of the name "Una" or "Noona" and with no reference on how to spell it, it's easy to see how that could have occurred. But we DO have a better source, we have the writer of the script. By the former argument, the name of the Klingon Cleave Ship should be "Calvary" because when it arrives on screen, and Pike says "Cavalry arrived just in time!" (as in "the cavalry is here") the subtitles say "CALVARY arrived just in time." So if the subtitles are sacrosanct than it follows that Pike MUST have been referring to the name of the Klingon ship as "Calvary" rather than just a subtitler who didn't spell "cavalry" correctly. Which is more likely? 1) That the subtitler didn't spell "Una" and "cavalry" correctly and that the writer of the bloody episode knows the correct spelling of the name that she put to the script, or 2) that the name "Una" as referenced by the writer and novel(s) written by those affiliated with the writing staff happens to be wrong, but is conspicuously and shockingly coincidentally similar to the word "Noona", and the writers named the Klingon cleave ship a name suspiciously similar to the name of a location on Earth rather than it being another typo? --Jonnyqtrek (talk) 06:55, April 24, 2019 (EST)

Pike mispronounces it as ‘Calvary’ too. But many people do that, so I guess he’s just one of them. Or Anson Mount is. —2001:44B8:1107:D300:4CF5:D567:A8EC:C2C1 04:55, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

I think all this is trying a little too hard to avoid Occam’s Razor. Between what’s audible and Ms Paradise’s own statements (and the novels’ influence doesn’t hurt), it seems contrary to assume her name is anything but ‘Una’ is warping the popular saying into ‘If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it may be a gerbil in disguise’.

(If anyone’s feeling too ‘but we can’t assume canon’, Michael Burnham’s dad is at a name he’s *never* had on screen.)

I’d vote keeping the page at ‘Number One’ (or redirectable from same) as the character’s been called just that in most of her appearances, and kicking off with something, ‘Una, usually referred to as “Number One”...’.—-2001:44B8:1107:D300:4CF5:D567:A8EC:C2C1 04:55, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

It's definitely "Una", I'd just say it's not 100% certain whether it's her name or a nickname (with her name actually being "Number One"); even in the novels it's not her real name either. Pike also refers to Owosekun as "Owo" every time, after all. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 06:55, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

The novels are not of this discussion. -- Compvox (talk) 11:20, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

Now canon[]

From the new Short Trek that just dropped today https://i.imgur.com/arjyRTH.png looks like Una is indeed her real name, she just prefers to go by Number One.--Tuskin38 (talk) 19:56, October 5, 2019 (UTC)

Yes, this could be renamed now. 31dot (talk) 15:29, October 6, 2019 (UTC)

I already started to rename the number one links with the Una links.--Jkirk8907 (talk) 20:51, October 6, 2019 (UTC)

I know y'all just went to the trouble of renaming and changing all the links and article name, but why not leave it as Number One? It's her preferred name based on the dialogue in the show. The 'Seven of Nine' article isn't called 'Annika Hanson'--Tuskin38 (talk) 22:32, October 6, 2019 (UTC)

That could change once Picard airs; maybe Seven prefers Annika at that point. We use Montgomery Scott and not Scotty(a redirect) even though virtually no one called him Montgomery or even Monty. James T. Kirk even though he was often called Jim. 31dot (talk) 22:46, October 6, 2019 (UTC)

Also, "Now canon" is a bit inaccurate. It was canon the moment Captain Pike said it in the season 2 finale, but there was a shocking level of belief here that the subtitler's spelling trumped the knowledge of the writer of the episode.jonnyqtrek (talk) 22:55, October 6, 2019 (UTC)

"Now canon" is accurate now according to MA. We are not the encyclopedia, production, or social media. We have our own criteria on this supplemented with peer discussion. Speaking for myself, I've always rather liked the name "Una", but liking it isn't good enough to rename an article. Now we have that confirmation and I fully support it. -- Compvox (talk) 08:47, October 7, 2019 (UTC)

Romijn and Hudec in sidebar[]

I think it is more important to share the images of the two actress in the sidebar, even if the youngest image of Una was played by the new actress, in reality it only predates the slightly older image of Una play by a Hudek, from the character's perspective, by a few months in the timeline. Granted, with Romijn completely taking over the role as a lead character in a new series changes the dynamic, until a much younger or older version of Una appears, from a real world perspective, the provenance should supersede what is essentially a handshake agreement in terms of MA guidelines for sidebar images. --Alan (talk) 13:00, September 8, 2020 (UTC)

Removed "Memorable quotes"[]

Removed:

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"What are the three most salient facts about Captain Pike?"
"One, his capacity for hearing out another point of view is exceeded only by his willingness to change his own once he's heard you out. Two, even though he is the most heavily decorated fighting captain in Starfleet, he views resorting to force as an admission of failure. And three... he is utterly unsentimental except when it comes to horses."

- Spock and Una Chin-Riley , on Captain Pike (ST: "Q&A")

"It's wrong to create a race of Humans to keep as slaves."

- Una Chin-Riley , just before preparing to kill the Humans and the Keeper (TOS: "The Cage")

"Who would have been Eve?"
"Yeoman!"

- J.M. Colt and Una Chin-Riley , referring to whom Pike would have chosen (TOS: "The Cage")

"Captain."
"Welcome aboard Discovery, Number One."

- Una Chin-Riley and Christopher Pike, on Una's visit to Discovery (DIS: "An Obol for Charon")

"Cheeseburger. Fries. Habanero sauce."
"You want to order some lighter fluid with that?"
"That goes with the shake."

- Una Chin-Riley and Christopher Pike, on her choice of meal (DIS: "An Obol for Charon")

"Welcome home, Captain."
"Good to be back. Wish it were under better circumstances."
"Don't we all."
"All major systems are back online, and we'll have no more holographic communications...ever."
"Probably for the best."

- Una Chin-Riley, Christopher Pike, and Katrina Cornwell, on Pike's return to the Enterprise (DIS: "Such Sweet Sorrow")

"Actually, our odds might be a little better than that. I took the liberty of retrofitting our shuttle and landing pod complement with enhanced phasers, and I commandeered the new experimental tactical flyers, assuming the shit would hit the fan."
"Well done, Number One."

- Una Chin-Riley and Christopher Pike, on Number One's initiative (DIS: "Such Sweet Sorrow")

"In English please. I can't blow a path through what you're saying."

- Una Chin-Riley, reacting to Lt. Keyla Detmer (DIS: "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2")

"Captain, plans A and B didn't work. We're now into the 'Hail Mary' part of the operation."
"That's been just about everything today."

Una Chin-Riley and Christopher Pike (DIS: "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2")

"Where to, Number One?"
"You're the captain, Captain."
"I hear we discovered a new moon at Edrin II."
"That we did, sir."
"Thank You, Number One. In that case, let's give her a spin. That sound good to you, Mr. Spock?"
"Yes, Captain. Let us see what the future holds."
"Ready for warp, sir."
"Hit it."

- Christopher Pike, Una Chin-Riley, and Spock, on the Enterprise's next destination (DIS: "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2")

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This is a ridiculous list of quotes for someone with less than a dozen appearances, most of which really don't fit into the spirit of MA:QUOTE, and are just lazy reasons not to add the actual content the quote is about various sections of her article. --Gvsualan (talk) 15:19, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Rank[]

Why is Una's rank still labeled as Lieutenant Commander? Her and Hemmer both have two stripes on their uniforms which indicate they are full Commanders? so Why is Hemmer still a commander on his page and Una is a Lt. CMDR?--Jkirk8907 (talk) 04:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Her rank is listed as Lt Cmdr on her personnel file in "Strange New Worlds". Don't know about Hemmer. -- UncertainError (talk) 04:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

With Spock of course being a huge red flag, I would ignore take the stripes with a grain of salt. They seem to be more akin to "The Cage" format than the stripes and dashes used in TOS proper. –Gvsualan (talk) 17:15, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Which is deeply confusing, because Captain Pike has the traditional two and a half stripes. Were the costume department and writers just not on the same page? Doogie2K (talk) 02:32, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Captain Pike introduced Una as LT Cmdr in Episode 6 so yeah that's her rank and I too find the stripe problem annoying. EmperorTalax (talk) 04:17, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

In "Ad Astra per Aspera" (the most recent episode as of this writing) she was referred to as lieutenant commander at her arraignment. On the costumes, all the grades below captain seem to have increased a half stripe compared to TOS. I don't know where that leaves full commander. There doesn't seem to be a slot for it. — LCARS 16:59, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, it should have never been changed. –Gvsualan (talk) 17:10, 22 June 2023 (UTC)