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> You spoke to the New York Times a couple of years ago about parallels between the Sverdlovsk lab leak and the potential origins of COVID-19. What’s your view today on that parallel?

>It looks more and more as though at least at one point they were not using an adequate high containment facility. If that's true — and they were certainly working on viruses from bats, they don't deny that, in fact, they're proud — and if in addition to that they were using NIH money to do gain of function research, it’s plausible, certainly very plausible.

Isn't there a general scientist consensus that Covid-19 did not come from a lab due to the wet market being the location where the virus jumped to humans, the fact that the genome of the virus is consistent with natural evolution, and the fact that a virus that escaped from a lab would not behave the way that SARS-CoV-2 behaved? (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 )

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