Democrats start moving to Harris as Biden digs in

[-Myk-]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/05/politics/kamala-harris-democrats-biden/index.html

Amid the ongoing fallout from Joe Biden’s debate performance, talk in many top Democratic circles has already moved to who Kamala Harris’ running mate would be.

That’s how certain a widening group of leading party officials, operatives and donors are that the president’s slow start to salvage his campaign just won’t work, with several close allies skeptical that he is up to the reelection campaign he has pledged to stay in, based on CNN’s conversations with two dozen Democratic politicians and operatives.

Biden always says not to compare him to the almighty, but to the alternative. That’s exactly what a growing number of Democrats looking at Harris are doing.

For her part, the vice president and her staff have deliberately ignored most of the calls and texts coming their way, remaining insistently on message about both her support for Biden and her pride in sticking with him.

But Harris has already made some changes: Only after last week’s debate did her office update her schedule to put her with Biden for the Fourth of July picnic and fireworks. She has not attended the picnic before, instead keeping to her own Independence Day tradition of making a stop at a local fire station. And after Democratic governors rejected the White House’s initial offer to have her speak to them instead of Biden, she was also added to the meeting and closed it with a speech urging unity and sticking with the president.

That’s her keeping close to Biden — but it’s also Biden keeping her close.
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Well if she runs then I will have to write in my vote.

 

[Trickyvinny]

Of course you do, you fairweather fuck.

 

[-Myk-]

Of course you do, you fairweather fuck.

/meltdown

I will vote for Biden, will NEVER vote for Trump, and have said since she she was in the primary back in 2019/2020 I would never vote for her. That is far from fair weather

 

[Tych2]

I'll enjoy the whining when trump is elected and I relish in I told ya so

 

[-Myk-]

I'll enjoy the whining when trump is elected and I relish in I told ya so

Told me so how, if I never vote for him and my state is safely democrat leaning for PotUS. I could write in anyone and it would not make one bit of difference.

 

[swirly_commode]

I'll enjoy the whining when trump is elected and I relish in I told ya so

Wana come drink beer and watch the world burn with me?
We can also get hookers and blow

 

[Tych2]

Keep beating your drum

 

[Tych2]

Wana come drink beer and watch the world burn with me?
We can also get hookers and blow

I'll stay safely ensconced in Western Mass

 

[Calladon]

/meltdown

I will vote for Biden, will NEVER vote for Trump, and have said since she she was in the primary back in 2019/2020 I would never vote for her. That is far from fair weather

Either the Democrat or Trump wins.

Not voting for the Democrat means you're okay with Trump being president.

 

[Yukishiro1]

How shocking, the guy with a racist slur for a name doesn't want to vote for Harris.

 

[Trickyvinny]

/meltdown

I'm sorry I hurt your sensitive feelings. Good luck surviving Trump part 2.

 

[-Myk-]

Either the Democrat or Trump wins.

Not voting for the Democrat means you're okay with Trump being president.

No it does not, it means I don't like Harris and won't vote for. Colorado is solid democrat and someone writing in will not tip it to Trump. Y'all are just to broke to get that.

 

[-Myk-]

I'm sorry I hurt your sensitive feelings. Good luck surviving Trump part 2.

Oh look another person that has been broken

 

[Yukishiro1]

Narrator: Five minutes later...

 

[-Myk-]

Narrator: Five minutes later...

Yuki took the time to do that up, I didn't realize I had free space in his head like that.

 

[Yukishiro1]

Do you even internet, boomer?

 

[cobane]

How dare you accuse me of waffling. I have repeatedly gone on the record about how much I dislike women in general and black women in particular long before Harris was even a thing so don't even try to come after me on this one. I am bullet proof!

 

[Calladon]

No it does not, it means I don't like Harris and won't vote for. Colorado is solid democrat and someone writing in will not tip it to Trump. Y'all are just to broke to get that.

Trump is an American Hitler and you are too proud to stand in his way.

 

[Trickyvinny]

No it does not, it means I don't like Harris and won't vote for. Colorado is solid democrat and someone writing in will not tip it to Trump. Y'all are just to broke to get that.

That's OK bro, you can let others do the heavy lifting to save democracy.

Or start your investment in a therapy dog now so you have a solid support system ready to go.

 

[GrilledCheezus]

calling someone a mick is a compliment. Like redneck

 

[-Myk-]

I'm a Vet, I've done more than 94% of Americans for this country.

 

[Calladon]

That's worse, you've taken an oath to protect and defend the Constitution.

I have too. That means taking action to prevent a malignant narcissist from becoming president.

 

[-Myk-]

 

[-Ducky-]

Ugh Kamala is awful. I don’t think she stands a chance against Trump
These people are fucking morons, or they don’t want a Democrat

 

[eodoll]

I dont understand why you all say she is awful. She hasnt done anything substantial and biden has kept her hidden although he likes to wave her around as his token black. Biden also acts as if he put obama in power, no.. you were obamas VP and obama was a dumb fuck to put you and hilary in his admin. Anyway, the way buden waves his black ‘friends’ around for credit is cringe and micro aggression racist.

 

[Yossarian_42]

Why does it have to be Harris? I have nothing really against her because I'm not a bigot but you can literally pick anybody.

Also, the levels of full of shit required to be willing to vote for senile idiot pervert Joe Biden but to draw the line at Kamala Harris is fascinating. Is it because one of them is a white man?

 

[Yukishiro1]

Smashing yourself in the dick with a pole?

 

[Calladon]

Adam Kinzinger said the discussion shows the Democratic Party is a healthy one, unlike the Republican Party, which is a cult where the wrong idea gets you kicked out.

 

[eodoll]

Biden the senile old man that gropes women and sniffs their hair.. lol

 

[eodoll]

Adam Kinzinger said the discussion shows the Democratic Party is a healthy one, unlike the Republican Party, which is a cult where the wrong idea gets you kicked out.

not among all dems. there were some that went crazy the minute people said biden should step aside

 

[Calladon]

One of your dumber posts.

"not among all dems"

Obviously. That's not what was being expressed by Kinzinger.

 

[Groucho48]

Why does it have to be Harris? I have nothing really against her because I'm not a bigot but you can literally pick anybody.

Also, the levels of full of shit required to be willing to vote for senile idiot pervert Joe Biden but to draw the line at Kamala Harris is fascinating. Is it because one of them is a white man?

Because picking the VP as the nominee stops things from getting ugly. She has a bunch of primary votes already and I don't think anyone mentioned is even on the ballot anywhere. To open it up to anyone else would be a chaotic free for all. First, who gets to decide to knock her off the ballot? Second, what If she refuses? Third, assuming the first two things get settled, how would the new nominee be picked? Smoke filled rooms? Open floor votes? Rock, paper, scissors? Suppose a couple thousand folks said they wanted the nomination. How and who gets to decide who gets even considered? And let's not forget that Harris is sitting on a 200 million campaign fund that no one else can use. Giving it back and asking for it to be resent? That would be a disaster. I'm not sure of the rules about donating it to a central organization but I'm sure there are some. Not to mention, there would be a million lawsuits from donors and from gleeful Republicans. I also think you'd lose a chunk of your most faithful voters if you just dumped her.

The best thing Biden did in his Presidency was to put boatloads of competent experts in important positions and give them general directions and let them take it from there. Worked out quite well. Maybe Harris learned from that. Who knows?

Not to mention many of the most prominent names mentioned are happy where they are and are probably not willing to give it up on a very slight chance of becoming President.

 

[eodoll]

Because picking the VP as the nominee stops things from getting ugly. She has a bunch of primary votes already and I don't think anyone mentioned is even on the ballot anywhere. To open it up to anyone else would be a chaotic free for all. First, who gets to decide to knock her off the ballot? Second, what If she refuses? Third, assuming the first two things get settled, how would the new nominee be picked? Smoke filled rooms? Open floor votes? Rock, paper, scissors? Suppose a couple thousand folks said they wanted the nomination. How and who gets to decide who gets even considered? And let's not forget that Harris is sitting on a 200 million campaign fund that no one else can use. Giving it back and asking for it to be resent? That would be a disaster. I'm not sure of the rules about donating it to a central organization but I'm sure there are some. Not to mention, there would be a million lawsuits from donors and from gleeful Republicans. I also think you'd lose a chunk of your most faithful voters if you just dumped her.

The best thing Biden did in his Presidency was to put boatloads of competent experts in important positions and give them general directions and let them take it from there. Worked out quite well. Maybe Harris learned from that. Who knows?

Not to mention many of the most prominent names mentioned are happy where they are and are probably not willing to give it up on a very slight chance of becoming President.

He just brought back the same team he had with obama. Its not a genius move, it was the people he has worked with in the past.

 

[Groucho48]

In some positions. He also brought in his team from his Senate days. A fair number of Obama folks stayed but a significant number did because Reps refused to approve anyone for a lot of posts, so assistants had to step up. Luckily, the assistants were also pretty good. Unlike the political commissars Trump inserted everywhere.

 

[GrilledCheezus]

Kamala should be considered. She will lose to trump hugely. I think trump would beat kamala worse than weekend at biden's. but she should be considered. She is the dem with the best resume right now to run.

Of course she was also a DEI pick. I think even if she was awesome that would cost her the victory, but she is far from awesome.

 

[Eager_Igraine]

Has anyone listed or quoted all of these members of the “widening group of leading party officials “? Or are we just taking the media’s word on it? This seems a lot like manufacturing a mountain of “top officials” out of a molehill of responses to leading questions fishing for this angle.

 

[Groucho48]

I've seen maybe half a dozen mentioned by name while not paying a lot of attention. So maybe another half dozen or dozen I missed.

And the MSM is stretching what they actually say. Pelosi said something like...yes there are questions about his status but if he shows us he's still capable, then we stick with him. The NYT framed it as Pelosi cast doubts on Biden’s ability to govern. Which is a stretch.

 

[NetiNeti]

If its Kamala , then its Kamala. Its her time in history.
If she is going to be a general , she needs to get inspiring.
She is our ironic real holy ( secular with morals) warrior fighting to save democracy, while fundamentalists religious are actively doing what they have been doing since time started, seeking division and discord in the name of power.

 

[Jaedence]

90% of the electorate doesn't know anything about Kamala.
What they do know is a younger black woman would be going up against Trump.
Younger, black, woman, gains 15 points in the polls against old, racist, dementia felon who shits himself.

 

[Trickyvinny]

Sure thing, Hillary.

 

[Crackdoc]

Your VP is much like Prince Harry, a 'Spare'.

As and of themselves they wield no official clout not handed to them by the P.

What negatives has anyone observed in her behaviour in office that makes her anathema to the office of P ?

 

[swirly_commode]

Your VP is much like Prince Harry, a 'Spare'.

As and of themselves they wield no official clout not handed to them by the P.

What negatives has anyone observed in her behaviour in office that makes her anathema to the office of P ?

well shes black for one
and, OMG, a WOMAN...

this is america, son.
no minorities can have any jobs until every white man has a good high paying job FIRST

 

[Eager_Igraine]

I've seen maybe half a dozen mentioned by name while not paying a lot of attention. So maybe another half dozen or dozen I missed.

And we’re any of them actually top party officials?

And the MSM is stretching what they actually say. Pelosi said something like...yes there are questions about his status but if he shows us he's still capable, then we stick with him. The NYT framed it as Pelosi cast doubts on Biden’s ability to govern. Which is a stretch.

That’s the kind of thing I’m talking about.

 

[Rhint]

I think Harris would probably try to do everything to be the best president that she possibly could be. She would have the weight of being the first woman to hold the post on top of the chip on her shoulder created by the fact that nobody has any confidence in her.

She's miles better than Trump, in any case

 

[swirly_commode]

I think Harris would probably try to do everything to be the best president that she possibly could be. She would have the weight of being the first woman to hold the post on top of the chip on her shoulder created by the fact that nobody has any confidence in her.

She's miles better than Trump, in any case

i agree

 

[Bobvillas]

Has anyone listed or quoted all of these members of the “widening group of leading party officials “? Or are we just taking the media’s word on it? This seems a lot like manufacturing a mountain of “top officials” out of a molehill of responses to leading questions fishing for this angle.

Sen Warner from Va says he is building a coalition of Dems to ask Biden to drop out.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/07/05/washington_post_sen_mark_warner_forming_group_of_democratic_senators_to_call_on_biden_to_drop_out.html

 

[swirly_commode]

all hail emperor trump
or do you think he will use das fuhrer?
i bet he goes with king and orders the whitehouse covered in gold leaf

 

[OneBigClam]

Sen Warner from Va says he is building a coalition of Dems to ask Biden to drop out.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/07/05/washington_post_sen_mark_warner_forming_group_of_democratic_senators_to_call_on_biden_to_drop_out.html

It's questionable exactly which side some of these southern democrats are on. Shit like this makes you wonder.

 

[OneBigClam]

all hail emperor trump
or do you think he will use das fuhrer?
i bet he goes with king and orders the whitehouse covered in gold leaf

Gold paint, but he'll say it's leaf.

 

[swirly_commode]

why skimp?
its not his money.
get some slaves immigrants to do the work before they get deported to somalia or something
now thats what i call cutting gubmint waste!