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A couple weeks or so ago I started going through this edit filter looking for a specific UPE farm but then fell on top of what I am terming the redirect socks (in addition to other UPE) so I have been reverting when I come across them. Apparently I have annoyed them. S0091 (talk) 16:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@S0091:, It only annoys them as they likely don't get paid unless their edits stick. Great job. Have you seen this? Pinging @JBW: as well since they are involved. I believe it is a case of creating a redirect and then using another account to remove and create the page in hopes no one will see it or to avoid G5 in the event they are caught in an SPI. Good work!!!--CNMall41 (talk) 16:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so that's the SPI. I knew there had to be one but hadn't yet made the effort to find out which one. I also had a discussion with Ponyo as she had protected a couple of the redirects and she thought protection was likely the better route. I had also thought about moving them to draft but worried that would at least be least frowned upon so I'd be interested in getting yours and JBW's thoughts. S0091 (talk) 17:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a fine line but there was mention in the SPI that the pages created by RB could be G5'd if it is conclusive. A better route may be to redirect and protect the pages as deleting them will only lead to multiple attempts at recreation. Just my thoughts. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And before I forget, I think P.Karthik.95 is like part of this or at least UPE. S0091 (talk) 17:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. They are on a list of potentials I am keeping but need more evidence as I have filed so many SPIs over the last few months I believe I have annoyed the F*** our of CUs and Admins. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also think Nauman335 is likely part of the same farm (and have thought so for a while). The most recent open SPI on that user shows similar conduct of redirect creation followed by page creation. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I know about feeling we are bugging CU/SPI. Yesterday I filed one, Spicy got to it right away but then then within minutes I filed another under the same SPI. Between you, me, @GSS, @Saqib and a couple others, we keep SPI hopping unfortunately and UPE farms are usually the toughest cases. S0091 (talk) 17:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. I pissed them off filing so many. I completely understand as it takes away from their enjoyment of editing Wikipedia just like these UPEs take away mine. All good. They do a pretty good job so I am just trying to hold off and file only the ones where I have no doubt based on the evidence. That way they don't feel like Wikipedia is work. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I have let go of so many UPEs because I didn't want to spend the time pulling it all together for what a CU might still legitimately deem a weak case and then there are times when I think Wikipedia is overrun with UPE so I have go do something else for while. Like you, I also worry about CUs getting burned out. I would. S0091 (talk) 18:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Exactly. I thought about going RfA and becoming CU eventually but at this point I don't even want to look in that direction. I have empathy at this point and don't want to join that workload. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I really wish is for us to have a private space where we can collaborate so we are not spilling WP:BEANS or worse, openly suggesting someone of might be UPE who might not be and get other eyes/hands to help with analysis along with AI tools to help id patterns, etc. S0091 (talk) 18:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone noticed our UPEs are emigrating to Simple English WP, fleeing the persecution they face here? Barzakh (TV series), Umro Ayyar - A New Beginning. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not entirely uncommon for UPE to create articles at both en and Simple and/or another language. It's often part of a package deal and a way to hedge so if it gets deleted at one, it will still exist at another which also gets them a Wikidata entry. S0091 (talk) 17:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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S0091, A package deal? Is it like buy one, get one free? Wow! — Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More like for $XXX you will get these XXX articles on these XXX Wikipedias or if they are unsuccessful at en their backup offer is Simple, etc. They may also offer different wikis such as Wikialpha which is free for all (offline as of last week but existed since like 2009-ish I think) or Wikitia. S0091 (talk) 18:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TL;DR. Sorry guys, I'm in a hurry. By the way, I've just identified a very old account with ~100K edits that's confirmed to be engaging in UPE. Anyway, since I'm here, I have a quick question: what does this edit filter do? I've noticed that UPEs often create a redirect and then, after some time, someone removes the redirect to attempt creating an article. However, the newly created page doesn't appear on NPP. So what would be the best way to tackle this issue? @MPGuy2824:— Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Saqib the filter simply identifies/flags "Large creations by inexperienced user". It requires a person to review them to determine if there's any action to needed. See [1]. As for removing redirects, they do show up at NPP but I think they will be dated with redirect creation date rather than the date the redirect was removed. It's probably the main reason why there are pages in the queue that appear to be years old. S0091 (talk) 18:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It could be they identified a way around NPP by using the redirect creation. What is the SPI for the 100K+ ?--CNMall41 (talk) 19:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S0091, I'm certain that not all redirect turned articles appear in NPP. @MPGuy2824: Do you have any thoughts on this? @CNMall41, Please check your email. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 06:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

someone removes the redirect to attempt creating an article. However, the newly created page doesn't appear on NPP. Please give me an example of where this has happened. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MPGuy2824, Usman Riaz — Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:37, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can I get an example that is not deleted, please? -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MPGuy2824, In this case, you'll need to wait until I encounter another one. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824:, if you look at the new page creations for user RahulBodke you can find a few. here is an example along with this, this, and this. Hope that helps. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sadhi Manasa is in the NPP queue (I can see the toolbar there). Jagaddhatri (Telugu TV series) is old (converted to article more than 6 months ago) and articles automatically leave the npp queue if no one reviews them for that long. The other two were reviewed by an NPPer after conversion to article: [2], [3]. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is clear they are also moving to Simple English Wikipedia. I am about to go there to start editing as well. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have not actively edited there but have poked around. Vermont is a admin there, active here and a steward and there's at least couple other good/active admins so you shouldn't run into issues with things being actioned on if warranted. S0091 (talk) 17:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect. The first two I tagged have been deleted. I am going to make a list of all of the ones that added a Simple English link here on Wikipedia and then go from there. Should expose quote a few socks as well. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now tell the newspapers which are not named under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. If you give those references, will Akash Kusum accept the page? Nilpriyo (talk) 15:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I am done assisting you at this point based on WP:DUCKish behavior. The guideline is listed and it is up to you to learn it and apply it. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You might be interested in this discussion. S0091 (talk) 17:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S0091, TL;DR but are your concerns about editors being hired to participate in AFDs part of the proposed changes too? — Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:29, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With a new UPE CSD one would not need to go through AfD for a UPE's articles to be deleted. If a user is blocked for UPE their articles prior to the block could be CSD'd. So for example an editor over the course of months/years created several articles then was confirmed UPE all their articles could be CSD'd. As it stands now, it's generally either G5 or G11 but for G5 to apply they need to be confirmed to an already blocked account which is not always the case/possible (ex. creations by masters and their first discovered sock(s) are not G5-able, only the subsequent ones) or the article has to meet G11 but as we know many of them do not meet that criteria either. Make sense? S0091 (talk) 20:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S0091, Absolutely delightful! — Saqib (talk I contribs) 21:16, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @CNMall41,Hope you’re doing good. I’m just getting to your notice that you have Rejected Draft:Primeshow Entertainment. But somebody has created PrimeShow Entertainment directly to the mainspace. Please look into this. 2409:4070:400D:D366:BD43:5AB9:34BC:4EA8 (talk) 13:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Draftified. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 13:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

there's also Draft:Primeshow. Going to clean up the mess momentarily but assuming either you or @CNMall41 know whether this is Cricket or Manvith farms? I'm not filing at SPI Star Mississippi 15:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Star Mississippi:, sorry you keep getting pinged into these. At this point, I am certain that most of these are the same outfit and they are all running together. I think they will all be merged eventually just like Nauman335 just became StayCalmOnTrees. For now, I am unsure which one this would be part of. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine. I'm in favor of all the detective work. I just didn't have the on wiki time to try and sort it out or otherwise be helpful. Thanks for all you do on that front Star Mississippi 14:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Star Mississippi:, I understand the real life stuff. That's why I hate bringing people in to this. Wish there were more of us as it keeps happening.--CNMall41 (talk) 18:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you have a look on this draft. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sowban_Hilal IamZubair (talk) 03:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly check into the new changes made in the page Draft:Udne ki aasha and kindly give your opinion on it. Aspireeditor5 (talk) 15:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not here to entertain you or any other accounts you are associated with. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

La de da de de, la de da de da. Keep up the good work! S0091 (talk) 19:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haha. Yes it does. You as well. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that you have been recently removing citations to estmojo.com calling it a "content farm reference". I am not objecting to these removals or claiming that the source is reliable (I haven't looked at it deeply enough to say either way) but could you explain the reason briefly or point me a relevant discussion? Abecedare (talk) 05:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abecedare:, here is a thread a posted the day before about the reference. It contains (albeit short) RSN discussion as well as the discussion for the deletion of its Wikipedia page (which was pure spam). You can see when a lot of these links are placed, they are placed in addition to references that are already there which is clear indication that someone is just trying to find anywhere to put them. I am trying to only do a handful a day as I get bored with it. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:20, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the links. I was initially inclined to think that the source was usable in some cases because of (1) the funding by Independent and Public Spirited Media Foundation, (2) their contact us and grievance redressal pages that identify actual persons and addresses, and (3) I thought they were clearly segregating all their sponsored/third-party posts under eastmojo.com/em-buzz/. But your link to sponsored posts shows that (3) is not true and talk about "citizen reporters" on their About Us page is at least a redflag.

(TL;DR)  they are not a fly-by-night operator and there likely is some genuine journalism on their website but barring a way to tell it apart from sponsored and user-generated content, using them as a source is risky. Sad, because northeast India could use greater professional media coverage. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 22:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your last statement 100%. The entire region actually. There is a ton of WP:NEWSORGINDIA out there and many of the publications receive revenue to write and post articles which muddies the waters and makes a lot of it unreliable (and in the least, skeptical). --CNMall41 (talk) 22:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. You say that subheadings for the plot of this serial is not needed. However, without subheadings the plot just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. We are the Great (talk) 05:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@We are the Great:, with all due respect, I am tired of arguing over this point. If you want to include them, then the WP:ONUS is on you. Use the talk page to get consensus. --CNMall41 (talk) 09:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Aviram7:, good call on this. I was on the fence which is why I sent it to AfC as opposed to the mainspace. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:13, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm LR.127. I noticed that you recently removed content from Prema Entha Madhuram without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. I agree that the plot summaries are too long, but I don't think boldly deleting a chunk of it is the solution. LR.127 (talk) 06:29, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LR.127:, Was adequately explained in the edit summary. Should you wish to restore, please use WP:ONUS. Also, please see WP:DTR. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understood - appreciate it. Opened a talk page post at Talk:Prema Entha Madhuram. LR.127 (talk) 06:54, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would also advise reading WP:ONUS as restoring the content without consensus can be considered edit warring. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:34, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @CNMall41,

I hope this message finds you well. I noticed that you recently made some edits to the Wikipedia article on the Manipuri film ONENESS. I wanted to bring to your attention a recent development regarding the film that should be reflected in the article.

ONENESS was officially selected for the KASHISH Pride Film Festival 2024 in Mumbai, which is South Asia's biggest queer film festival. The film made its world premiere at this festival on May 17, 2024. This premiere has been covered by several reliable sources including Northeast Now [4], The Sangai Express [5][6], The Times Of India [7], Mid-Day India [8], and Elle India.

For your reference, here is the link to the official selection list on the festival's website: KASHISH Pride Film Festival 2024 Selection List. [9]

In light of this information, I believe it is important to update the film's year from "an upcoming 2023" to "a 2024 film" in the Wikipedia article. The film’s year is typically determined by its initial release date, and the world premiere at KASHISH establishes ONENESS as a 2024 film.

Additionally, as mentioned in your recent edits, I haven't mentioned any source from East Mojo. The reliable sources I have provided should be considered for updating the article.

Thank you for your attention to this matter and for your ongoing contributions to Wikipedia. Manipuri Mirror (talk) 21:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given the history, I would not be inclined to assist. You are still free to edit but keep in mind anything added that does not adhere to guidelines will be removed. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You also have a history of adding unreliable sources to pages. I would ask that you stop. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:14, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to clarify that any use of publications like East Mojo and Borok Times was purely unintentional and aimed at contributing to Manipuri Cinema. Upon realizing their unreliability, I have promptly ceased using them as sources. I am committed to maintaining high standards of accuracy and reliability in my work, and I appreciate your support in this regard. Manipuri Mirror (talk) 21:30, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, you are still adding unreliable sources AFTER you became aware of the others. You need to use this as your guide. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even today. This particular TOI piece falls under NEWSORGINDIA based on a recent RSN discussion. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for providing this information.Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force#Guidelines on sources

I will take this into account moving forward. Manipuri Mirror (talk) 21:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]