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I think that these would fit better under the "Regional" header. Perhaps a reorder to go:

Regional YIMBY Movements
- North America
 - Canada
 - United States
 - List of North American YIMBY Organisations
- Europe
 - Slovakia
 - Sweden
 - United Kingdom
- International Greenking2000 (talk) 09:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 4 January 2024 and 15 March 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): 0xtomato (article contribs). Peer reviewers: AlexVonGod.

— Assignment last updated by Juniper37 (talk) 18:58, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

In the next couple weeks, I will be revising and editing this article for an energy and sustainability course project. I would appreciate any feedback on my proposed edits, which I will be working on in my user sandbox. So far, my planned changes to the article include:

• A greater emphasis on the connections between the YIMBY movement and other political movements, especially in the context of climate change and the environment

• Adding to the "academic research" section with updated research and data of what's happening in cities undergoing upzoning transitions
• Expanding the amount of information about opposing groups' viewpoints to fully frame the issue

Thanks!

-0xtomato 0xtomato (talk) 19:22, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article lacks information about funding sources of "YIMBY" groups (referred to therein as "movements", which is undefined). For example, "California Yimby", a 501(c)4 non-profit organization, does not and will not disclose the sources of its combined receipts ($8,800,199) or assets ($12,284,638, both as of 2021); the required disclosure form lists donors only as "RESTRICTED". There is also no disclosure of how this money is spent. (Source: IRS990 form, CA Atty General website.) This is hardly a grass-roots volunteer "movement" (director Brian Hanlon was paid $270,000 in 2021); rather, it is a professional lobbying corporation, presumably funded by tech, RE development, and trade union interests (though this information cannot be confirmed because it is kept secret). The dichotomy offered in the article--"YIMBY" versus "NIMBY"--is false unless there are organized professional corporations equivalent to "California Yimby" funding some sort of "Nimby" activities. Please provide more documentation. 2600:1700:DAA0:8490:3DFC:9475:83CE:7BC1 (talk) 18:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reading documents like their disclosure form yourself and interpreting them is WP:OR. Would need a citation to a reliable source such as a newspaper article to talk about this in the article. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understood, thank you. 107.202.145.117 (talk) 05:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any evidence that "Planners' Alchemy, Transforming NIMBY to YIMBY: Rethinking NIMBY" inspired the YIMBY movement. I think it's an interesting bit of trivia that they happened to stumble on the same term, but not sure if it's directly relevant Earlsofsandwich (talk) 14:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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YIMBY movement → YIMBY – Consistency with NIMBY. I see no reason why one is a "movement" and the other is not. HudecEmil (talk) 11:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 01:46, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• No opinion on title. NIMBY refers to people (who may join groups) to oppose new things in their neighborhoods. Article was originally titled YIMBY, but it is an idea which is gaining popularity as of the last decade because of the nationwide and worldwide housing shortage, though it is not ONE movement, so it might be more accurate to call it YIMBY movementS, like anti-abortion movements. ---Avatar317^(talk) 00:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak oppose. NIMBY is a pattern of emergent behavior with no particular ideology behind it. YIMBY is a movement with adherents and goals. This may justify differing title conventions, especially if there isn't one convention that works well for both. Jruderman (talk) 05:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I might go for renaming NIMBY to NIMBYism or NIMBY (acronym) or even NIMBY (descriptor), despite how weird it is to have the primary term redirect to a parenthetical. But we won't decide that here or today. Jruderman (talk) 02:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom and WP:CONCISE. Queen of Hearts ^talk 14:34, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first sentence starts:

The YIMBY movement (...), based on supply-side economic theory, mostly focuses on ...

The underlined clause should be removed as misleading and polarizing – many readers have strong feelings about other policies that have been described as supply-side economics.

Instead, a sentence should be added near the end of the first paragraph that introduces all of the major motivations for YIMBYism:

The YIMBY movement is rooted in New Urbanism, environmentalism, and a supply-side approach to addressing housing affordability crises through abundance.

Jruderman (talk) 22:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, supply-side economics is not mentioned elsewhere in this article, and is a WP:SYNTH argument of what YIMBY is (has nothing to do with reducing taxes or overall economic effect), and I don't think it should be mentioned in your last statement, because that confuses the reader, maybe something more like "and addressing housing affordability issues by allowing construction of more housing?" ---Avatar317^(talk) 00:56, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct. I was thrown off by supply-side economics having regulation cuts as a pillar and broad prosperity as a goal. But supply-side economics is fundamentally a macroeconomic theory, whereas most YIMBYs are focused on the microeconomics of the housing market.

However, YIMBYism is a prominent example of supply-side progressivism. Who decided to give those two ideologies such confusingly similar names? Jruderman (talk) 01:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add that this wording was added by an anon user a little over a month ago. I saw the edits on my watchlist and found them a bit strange, especially since there were no edit summaries, but nothing seemed immediately wrong about them so I didn't revert them. Saucy^{[talk – contribs]} 07:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for pointing me to this diff. Seeing the previous wording helped me turn the first sentence into something I'm happy with. Jruderman (talk) 08:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was a subtle one! It only drew my attention because of my intense hatred for the non-central fallacy, and it took Avatar317's deeper understanding of supply-side theory to realize how completely wrong it was. Jruderman (talk) 10:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can we make a three-sentence stub for now?

Upzoning is ______

Upzoning is often a part of infill development plans, and as such, it is one of the key policies advocated by the YIMBY movement. Metro areas that broadly upzone see a ______ decrease in ______, per _____ of increased zoning capacity.

I'm pretty busy right now so I won't be doing the research needed to create it myself. And I thought it would be good to discuss here first. Jruderman (talk) 22:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This would probably be better covered as a small section in the Zoning article rather than a dedicated article for "Upzoning". I doubt that even long term it would become more than a rather small article, but if it did it could be later broken out. Maybe at the end of the "Main Approaches to Zoning" section? ---Avatar317^(talk) 00:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]