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Why mickey mouse suffered a decline from 40s to 50s?
I cannot understand believe that mickey mouse unexpectedly dropped in popularity that decade when goofy and donald got exploded in term of viewership during golden era. As if many people thought there are many lost mickey toons from 40s 50s but i cant verify like that. Cmiiw.182.2.141.30 (talk) 04:11, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's not complicated. Donald's unlucky personality and down-on-his-luck relatability and Goofy's slapstick comic relief received more focus after enough of Mickey's vanilla everyman personality. I'm sure the Disney company couldn't find any further innovation for him around that time, so his golden age was over after The Simple Things. There was less focus on animation within Disney after the '40s as well, so there diminished the short films aspect altogether. (And besides the commercial decline of such, do they really wanna compete against WarnerBros. in that field?)
I don't have any sources to show for this, but I've read a bit on animation history and the whole Dark Age thing about it, so I guess you can take my word for it. Carlinal (talk) 19:09, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"There was less focus on animation within Disney after the '40s" Less focus on production of short films, but Disney's animated feature films actually had an increased budget in comparison to much of the 1940s. See Walt Disney Productions short films (1950–1959) for the overall decline in their production numbers during the decade. 18 short films in 1950, 18 short films in 1951, 17 short films in 1952, 15 short films in 1953, 10 short films in 1954, 4 short films in 1955, 6 short films in 1956, 2 short films in 1957, 1 short film in 1958, 3 short films in 1959. Dimadick (talk) 09:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most people know Mickey Mouse through his current design. I don't even know why the image was changed besides Steamboat Willie and all the other shorts being in the public domain. SpriteSens (talk) 03:18, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:NFCCP the fair-use rationale for using a copyrighted image relies on it being irreplaceable. Since the original design became public domain, that's no longer the case. But it would make sense for the article to include the newer design somewhere where that is itself the topic of discussion. UpdateNerd (talk) 06:19, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If anything I kinda like the current head image since it's the original Mickey Mouse that Disney and Iwerks created during the rubber hose days of animation, so there's that historic factor. And while this image of Mickey Mouse is no longer the only image as a head candidate, it's still important enough to be in a later section of the article as an appropriate illustration. The placing of both these images are good as is.
By the way, should we have to reduce the amount of fair use images down the road I'll push for the same modern image to be kept, since it's a better showing of Fred Moore's design than the Fantasia screenshot. Carlinal (talk) 18:30, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"...co-created in 1928 by Walt Disney and Ub Iwerks. The longtime icon and mascot of the Walt Disney Company. Mickey is an anthropomorphic...". The error is in the abrupt placement of the period in the second sentence of the entire page. ScriptGeez (talk) 05:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does a picture of Al Jolson in blackface belong in this article?
There is currently a picture of Al Jolson in blackface in this article, with the caption: "Al Jolson in The Jazz Singer (1927), an example of typical minstrel blackface, which influenced some early cartoon characters—evidently including Mickey, who adds white gloves." This is supported by one sentence in the article: "Several sources state that this scheme [wearing white gloves] evolved from blackface caricatures used in minstrel shows." That sentence is fine, but I think the picture of Jolson adds undue weight to a minor and speculative connection to blackface. I would like to take the picture of Jolson off of this page. Do other people have thoughts about this? Toughpigs (talk) 17:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remove picture based on WP:UNDUE and WP:GRATUITOUS. It seems that the people who promote this are not specialists in animation and are from the outside looking in. For example, it has been continuously stated among insiders and creators that Mickey wears white gloves so that its hands can be seen against this black body. In addition, blackface is inherently offensive and offensive images should only be included if their absence "would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternative is available." This is an article on Mickey Mouse (whose design may or may not recall minstrels) not Al Jolson or blackface itself. Finally "Images should respect the conventional expectations of readers for a given topic as much as possible without sacrificing the quality of the article". An article that attracts kids should not shock them with blackface. LittleJerry (talk) 01:28, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can't really argue against that reasoning, other than the less important claim that scholars who comment on the topic "are not specialists in animation". The white gloves were already present on the mouse character in Disney's private messages, which were never meant to be animated. Not important given the guidelines quoted, however. UpdateNerd (talk) 06:50, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Done Liu1126 (talk) 00:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)