What is dark matter? What's it made out of? How do we know it exists? : Short Wave The universe is so much bigger than what people can see. Visible matter — the ground, the Sun, the screen you're reading this on — makes up only about 4 or 5 percent of our known universe. Dark matter makes up much more of the universe. It's all around us even though we can't see it. So what is it? What's it made out of? How do we even know it exists? Host Emily Kwong and Rebecca Ramirez try to find out with the help of astrophysicist Priyamvada Natarajan.

This episode is part of our series Space Camp, all about the weird and mysterious depths of our universe. Check out the full series: https://www.npr.org/spacecamp.

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The invisible substance that structures our universe

The invisible substance that structures our universe

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A simulation of the formation of dark matter structures from the early universe until today. Ralf Kaehler/NASA/SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory, American Museum of Natural History hide caption

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A simulation of the formation of dark matter structures from the early universe until today.

Ralf Kaehler/NASA/SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory, American Museum of Natural History

Dark matter is invisible. It's all around us. And we have no idea what it is.

The universe is so much bigger than what people can see. Visible matter — which makes up the things you can see like the ground, the Sun, the screen you're reading this on — makes up only about 4 or 5 percent of the known universe. Scientists like Priyamvada Natarajan, an astrophysicist at Yale University, say that dark matter is the bulk of the matter that exists. But because it doesn't interact with light, we have very few ways to directly examine it.

In this episode, we talk to Priya about how scientists first discovered dark matter, why we care about studying it and what it can tell us about the universe we live in.

This episode is part of Short Wave's space camp series about all the weird, wonderful things happening in the universe. Check out the full series.


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This episode was produced by Hannah Chinn. It was edited by Rebecca Ramirez. Regina G. Barber checked the facts. The audio engineer was Gilly Moon.

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