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Enterprise AI Leader | Startup Advisor | Dad

The majority of SaaS partnership leaders do systems integrator partnerships wrong (including myself). Below are 5 things I wish I knew when I was VP Partnerships at a SaaS company. Background: I spent the last 3 years leading partnerships at a SaaS company. During that time I tried and, frankly, failed at building scalable, sustainable partnerships with systems integrators (SI's) as well as global consultancies and agencies. I've spent the last 6 months in IBM consulting, building a practice, working with ISVs of all sizes and seeing what good and bad looks. Here's what I've learned so far: 1. Depth of relationships for SI's are unmatched I didn't realize how small a fish I had been in SaaS until I started hearing about the BILLION dollar footprints that SI's have at accounts. SaaS companies sales reps might think they "know their client" but I would challenge their depth of relationship relative to what I've seen. SaaS leaders should lean in to those relationships hard and empower the SI's to be power users/sellers/advocates of their products 2. Economics drives behavior SaaS companies operate with 70%+ gross margins while the best SI's will probably be at or below 30%. This means that there is a lot less room for error - harder to recover from bad investments or throw things against the wall to see what sticks. This leads to inherent risk aversion in building new partnerships and SaaS companies need to do what they can do to derisk investment by the SI 3. Along those lines, constraints of SI's = opportunities for ISVs Because ISVs have so much more room for error, they can create tons of opportunities for SI's by flexing their margin a little bit. An easy way to do this is to create free POC or land deal offers that the SI's can take to their clients - funding work that the SI's would typically need client $ to fund is a great way to create some flexibility. 4. Importance of upskilling within SI's I didn't appreciate that behind a faceless SI was thousands of humans of varying skills, interests and disciplines. A huge challenge for SI's is constant upskilling and education. Certifications are critical to quantitatively evaluate progress and FUNDING certifications is one of the best ways to solve a chicken/egg problem in the early days of SI partnerships 5. Practice/Persona alignment A lot of SaaS partnership calories are spent on the wrong persona within SI's. For example, I am an industry partner, which means I have access to clients but have no real interest or ability to build global partnerships. So when you talk to me, I want to talk about how you can help clients within my industries, not about generic partnership milestones like signing commercial agreements, co-marketing, global account mapping etc. I'd recommend trying to find a practice to align to early-on and focusing on a first win. Hope this is helpful, its what I would have wanted to hear 3 years ago.

Jake Makler

Enterprise AI Leader | Startup Advisor | Dad

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Sean Browning

Partnerships FSE GTM Leader

1mo

Hey Jake Makler , thanks for sharing what it looks like on the inside of a really big partnership operation. Well said. Doesn’t get any bigger than IBM. Upskilling on point 4 is spot on, especially today. There’s been a new shift in markets and technology. SI teams never say ‘no’ to education and training calls. This is a great way to get into new teams and conversations to expand business. And points 2&3 - you nailed it. Long TTV and implementations which don’t result in solutions for their customers? There’s no appetite. So providing a free, real, quick win will separate winners from posers. As your list gets longer, you might want to add Time to the list. Looking at how expensive a 45 minute screen share meeting is (people*pay), what is the cost of that call, and what is received in return? The faster a focused, true deliverable can be delivered (see point 3), the more at bats you’ll get. Plus, good news like that gets shared across teams. And because ‘Time kills all deals’, moving fast (but being thorough) will help avoid surprises like staffing shifts/promotions, corporate objective changes, and budget realignments. Please keep sharing news from the major leagues. This is fun! 🍿

Jake Makler give yourself a bit more credit. You were discussing these ideas with me a few years ago. Now that you have "walked in the shoes", each of these points have become more salient.

Jason Miles

Dreamer of Data Dreams

1mo

This is really interesting, Jake. I think #4 is extremely underappreciated, and I'd take it a bit farther. It's not just that you need certifications, but you need good ones. If you're choosing to go down that route, spend some time with people from the education and workforce development world to make sure that your certifications measure what you think they do, and that they are of an appropriate depth of knowledge.

Brian Cahak

Founder | Operator | Veteran | Growth Through Customer Empathy

1mo

Really good Jake Makler - happy to share additional perspective on this SaaS <> SI dynamic with you anytime.

Greg Haynes Johnson

Elite Account Business Transformation Services Partner @ IBM | IBM Digital Selling & Delivery Pro

1mo

These are spot-on Jake! SaaS partnerships frequently feel one-sided because one of the parties has not spent the time/energy to really understand what is critical for the other party's success.

Sheila Jindela

Marketing Manager at Kingston Dental Care

1mo

If you’re a small fish, I’m a guppy. Thankfully I leave it to the marketing companies I consult with to make sure I’m getting results! ❤️❤️

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