Chief Keef vs. Earl Sweatshirt/Joey Badass
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ewwcrabjuice
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im dying here. it's so funny, bro
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ewwcrabjuice
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saying chief keef is peers to earl sweatshirt and joey bada$$ is like saying jay-z is birdman's peer because they were both born in 1969
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Isn't it funny how Lil Jon is so inferior to his peers Jay-Z and Eminem. I mean, they're all in their 40s.
I don't even give a **** about Keef, but different artists do different things.
But "welcome" to the boards.
I don't even give a **** about Keef, but different artists do different things.
But "welcome" to the boards.
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This comparison is fantastic, and completely even despite two people being on one side....
You want to know what else they have in common besides their ages? They all rap!
Welcome doe...
You want to know what else they have in common besides their ages? They all rap!
Welcome doe...
The remix of "Don't Like" > anything the other two artists have done. "Earl" is the only thing that comes close.
Why is Badass not censored in the title all of the sudden?
Looked it up. And with Kanye West, Big Sean, and Jadakiss, I can already tell I don't like it.
I like Chief Keef's music. Not moreso than Earl and Joey's, but I like it.
Engineering probably took it off the word list. Why is another thing entirely.
I usually don't get distraught over opinions but this is complete NONSENSE!
I can't agree, but that said if you're going off the remix and not the OG, it's safe to say that you've pretty much said Keef's chorus>their career, which isn't true. At least imo anyway.
Joey Badass has a lot of potential, but If I really wanted to listen to a teenager spit multisyllables over 90's style production, I'd just put on Illmatic. Joey's tape doesn't really have a lot of depth and while I like the production, I am more interested in hearing what he can do over original beats. He is in the same boat as Diggy is to me. I can hear the makings of a good artist, but he has not quite figured things out, yet. They both need more time to mature.
Earl has one tape and it sounds dated at this point. Odd Future's production and mastering have taken a step forward and outside of a few tracks, I don't really revisit it. "Don't Like" is a certified banger and since the three of them only have one or two projects apiece, "Don't Like" is, to me, easily the best song any of them has released.
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But Earl isn't Earl's only work. It's just his only solo album. Have you listened to Between Friends with FlyLo?
I also liked him in Domo's Elimination Chamber.
Earl has evolved into a monster, and now that's he's dropping the whole rape/murder theme, he'll be even more enjoyable to listen to."I Don't Like" is in my opinion, garbage trap music, and I can't listen to it. I just can't.
I also liked him in Domo's Elimination Chamber.
Earl has evolved into a monster, and now that's he's dropping the whole rape/murder theme, he'll be even more enjoyable to listen to."I Don't Like" is in my opinion, garbage trap music, and I can't listen to it. I just can't.
Okay c'mon now, this is just unfair....
I could literally make this same exact comment for Chief Keef & many other upcoming artists with a similar style to anybody else in the game. I am more interested in hearing as to how this mixtape is missing in depth. I honestly think 1999 was an outstanding mixtape...
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On this point, outside of the whole "Free Earl" movement, of which Earl wasn't actually a part, "Don't Like" is greater than anything the other three have done to this point. Keef got a larger deal off of "I Don't Like" than Earl did off of his sabbatical in Samoa. Not by a lot, but they're all at basically the same point in their careers and Keef has the biggest success of the three.
Potential wise, Keef is last because he is not likely to be as successful as someone like Waka Flocka and he doesn't have as much potential for depth.
Don't give a fuck about Earl but 1999 is better than anything Keef is even remotely capable of. That is indeed a pretty ridiculous statement.
>>>>> anything by Chief Keef.
And I'd say there are better tapes, but "Don't Like" is up there with any number of certified bangers. Nothing on Earl, 1999 or Rejex is up there with some of their styles' best offerings. Perhaps "Earl" as far as horrorcore goes, but I'm not much for horrorcore, so I don't know.
Joey is rough around the edges. He hasn't mastered imagery or song structure, his hooks can be deflating, his delivery is a bit underwhelming and in general he just has a lot of room for improvement. I also felt like his beat choices lacked diversity and the tape was a bit long.
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Not to hate on Earl or anything, but he has been coasting off of an EP that wasn't even that good for years. I never understood what he did to deserve all of this...acclaim(?) when he doesn't even have a full length project to his name. In terms of projects worth listening to Tyler, Hodgy, The Internet, Frank, and Domo have more to show in Odd Future alone. When exactly is hype going to translate into substance for Earl? Still waiting
Tyler isn't inferior to Earl at all. Goblin and Bastard were both better than Earl. Hodgy has A LOT more enjoyable verses than Earl. Not even close honestly
In my opinion, Tyler is severely overrated. His lyrical ability is just not great. Wordplay and storytelling simply are lacking with him.
And I wouldn't even consider Hodgy "good," but that's just me. I haven't listened too that much of him, but from what I've heard, he's just boring.
And I wouldn't even consider Hodgy "good," but that's just me. I haven't listened too that much of him, but from what I've heard, he's just boring.
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I don't think any of these guys are polished enough to warrant any of our time. Joey has potential, though.
Now I'm getting the feeling that you're judging solely off of impact. Because if you weren't, you wouldn't be bringing up how these songs stack up with their sub-genre. That is completely irrelevant to me since I was only speaking upon the actual quality of the song.
Also, different sub-genres have completely different parameters. Saying a banger song is better than a boom-bap song only because it ranks higher in it's sub-genre is not really saying much....
No, I was talking about quality. "Don't Like" excels in all the areas you want a track like that to excel. Joey Badass and Earl do a lot of things well, but they haven't really put their skills together in a way that makes them worth listening to over other's with similar styles.
Edit: NVM
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The thing is, the I Don't Like Remix was huge in large part to the fact that Kanye got his hands on it, and he got a couple of other big names on the remix; you can't really give Keef the credit for the remix, but if anyone wants to make an argument for the original version of I Don't Like, then I'm up to hear it.
Joey Badass has a ton of potential and I think Capital STEEZ does too, despite the fact he isn't mentioned as much. Joey has great technique, but I agree that his hooks can be pretty underwhelming and he doesn't have amazing mic presence. I think it's interesting that he's rapping over beats that are very 90s in style, but hopefully he's able to pull off a tape that proves he's more than just some rapper who's only gimmick is appealing to the Golden-Age lovers.
Earl can rap really well, but that's it. I thought Earl had some seriously boring production. Tyler may not be as lyrically proficient, but he excels at everything else. Goblin and even Bastard were head and shoulder more interesting than Earl.
Joey Badass has a ton of potential and I think Capital STEEZ does too, despite the fact he isn't mentioned as much. Joey has great technique, but I agree that his hooks can be pretty underwhelming and he doesn't have amazing mic presence. I think it's interesting that he's rapping over beats that are very 90s in style, but hopefully he's able to pull off a tape that proves he's more than just some rapper who's only gimmick is appealing to the Golden-Age lovers.
Earl can rap really well, but that's it. I thought Earl had some seriously boring production. Tyler may not be as lyrically proficient, but he excels at everything else. Goblin and even Bastard were head and shoulder more interesting than Earl.
Why does Keef not get credit for having a song dope enough to warrant a remix with features from big name rappers? The chorus is still 100% his and the beat still has most of the gutter sensibility Young Chop's original did, but with some added strings and effects. It's not like because Kanye had his hand in it it's now his song.
My basic point is "Don't Like" is a really good song and while I hear a lot of potential in Earl and Joey Badass, neither of them have released a song that completely utilizes their skills in the way "Don't Like" does for Chief Keef.
My basic point is "Don't Like" is a really good song and while I hear a lot of potential in Earl and Joey Badass, neither of them have released a song that completely utilizes their skills in the way "Don't Like" does for Chief Keef.
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Okay well than "Hardknock" excels in all the areas you want a track like that to excel in...
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As far as Earl, he easily is the most talented of the group, but he is almost the least enjoyable to listen to as well...
Then again, haven't heard a project from him in a while so let me not speak too soon...
Then again, haven't heard a project from him in a while so let me not speak too soon...
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Meh. His delivery leaves so much to be desired and that hook is terrible. The lyrics to the hook aren't bad, but he doesn't deliver it with any gusto. It's just lazy sounding. Further, that second verse is just a mish-mosh of "the streets are bad, mmmkay?" His focus is all over the place and he fails to really capture a consistent image or theme beyond the generic "streets are hard" motif.
This is why I said he is rough around the edges. There's plenty to like on "Hardknock" but it is far from a complete song. It lacks polish and little focus and structure in his verses would go a long way.
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Maybe because it doesnt really sound like the original? The original sounds great.....for about 95 seconds. After that it just gets annoying and stupidly repetitive. Like he couldnt have thrown in a quick 16 or 2 just to break up the monotony? Either way youre discounting how impressive it is for a 17 to drop so many dope multis and overall verses over an entire project. Is it a polished great sounding project overall? No, but still very impressive. Youre reference to Illmatic was waaaayyyy to casual too.
Its like Bryce Harper in the MLB right now. Hes really not having that great of a season overall, but when you factor in his age and lack of experience it becomes very impressive (if baseball is your thing).
That's a valid point, but I think an even more important question that needs to be asked is what makes "I Don't Like" stand out any more than your average banger? Sure it was a hit song, and a certified banger, but what makes the original truly stand out among the other ones from the past? The Remix has qualities that make it stand out, this I can totally get down with.
Heck, as it stands, what makes us so sure that Chief Keef won't amount to anything more than a one-hit wonder?
"Fu** prison letters, those barettas lead us to the lettuce".
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jinzorob1
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Agreed. Love that shit.
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This too. Joey's second verse on Hardknock is crazy good.
Everything on that song is great even the guest feature. And Joey delivers it with that slight desperation in his voice that drives the track home.
Why is Chief Keef in the thread title?
That line is cheesy. It's pretty shallow outside of the multis and even then, there's nothing particularly mindblowing about rhyming barettas, lead us and lettuce.
Based on your posts in here I think it's obvious that your standards for Joey's subgenre are far more rigorous and difficult to attain than Keef's are. It sounds like Joey has to be an elite MC or do everything right for him to be worth listening to while all Keef has to do is manage to not give us cancer through his music
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Cheesy? Shallow? Hey to each his own, the line definitely isn't shallow though.
Best post Ive read in a while
Edit: F*ck this post....
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Seriously though...
F*ck my last post, this (IYH's post) is pretty much what I was trying to get across...
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