2014-12-17 UTC
nloadholtes joined the channel
Phyks joined the channel
# 00:47 GWG !tell snarfed Likely the new server. I wrote the message to test it.
# 00:47 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
# 00:50 Loqi snarfed: GWG left you a message 3 minutes ago: Likely the new server. I wrote the message to test it.
ezvirtual and KartikPrabhu joined the channel
lukebrooker, mdik, KartikPrabhu, j12t, prtksxna, reedstrm, carlo_au, tilgovi, snarfed and frzn joined the channel
# 04:59 GWG I'm not sure what the problem was, but I think I fixed it
SRCR joined the channel
sdboyer joined the channel
# 05:04 GWG snarfed: I guess I need to make some server changes still.
nloadholtes and tilgovi joined the channel
wolftune joined the channel
KartikPrabhu joined the channel
# 05:32 prtksxna I recently came across IndieWebCamp. Its answers so many questions I've had
# 05:32 prtksxna I am working on making my own website better for now…
Guerillero joined the channel
# 05:36 prtksxna There is a lot of do for now. I don't have microformats set-up correctly
# 05:38 prtksxna I am not sure about RSS spamming. I have some post types that are pretty small and I am not sure if I want someone who is subscribed to my feed to see all of them. I know that kind of beats the purpose but I feel that it might be TMI
# 05:40 GWG Always happy to have another WordPress user onboard
# 05:42 GWG But there are Indieweb feed readers being worked on
# 05:44 prtksxna I am also unsure of how to syndicate certain kinds of content like check-ins…
# 05:44 GWG prtksxna: It is something many people are working on.
# 05:45 GWG I'm not sure who is working on Check-Ins for WordPress. I started a project but didn't take it far.
# 05:45 prtksxna That is good to know, any projects in particular worth following
# 05:45 prtksxna I wrote check-in support for my theme but I am unsure of syndication on RSS
# 05:46 GWG Well, a lot of individual work is documented on the wiki
# 05:53 prtksxna I saw some of it. Will take a deeper look over the weekend.
KartikPrabhu joined the channel
# 06:05 GWG prtksxna: I had to stop for a bit to write a new cache invalidation plugin, but I have a lot of irons in the fire.
# 06:07 GWG KartikPrabhu: Makes me think I should be advocating more
# 06:08 KartikPrabhu GWG: the best way to advocate IMO is to have a great site of your own that does things
# 06:09 prtksxna KartikPrabhu: Thanks, I finished it recently. Still needs a lot of work :)
ben_thatmustbeme and tilgovi joined the channel
eschnou, wolftune and loic_m joined the channel
j12t, gRegor`, reidab_ and eschnou joined the channel
modem joined the channel
# 07:59 prtksxna I could never understand the point of Medium. Its like wordpress.com with content curation, right?
# 08:00 KartikPrabhu prtksxna: to be fair it offers a much better UI for posting as well as "comments"
# 08:01 KartikPrabhu but it is not a choice between Medium and indieweb if you want to own your data
# 08:01 prtksxna Its interesting how things become popular because they get a fresh coat of paint.
# 08:01 KartikPrabhu prtksxna: and it is not like wordpress in that you can't host your own instance of wordpress
# 08:03 prtksxna That is what I hoped. But it isn't true if the masses are to adopt.
# 08:04 KartikPrabhu prtksxna: in my own cynical view masses seems to adopt whatever is new and shiny
# 08:06 prtksxna Realized only now that those tiny icons were clickable :|
# 08:07 prtksxna Too obscure for me. And that's when I was actively trying to look for one.
# 08:07 KartikPrabhu but I tried to make them similar to Medium's icons and also the "accepted" icon for comments
# 08:10 prtksxna KartikPrabhu: That was all the feedback I have :) Sorry, not indieweb enough yet and don't want to use Twitter either.
# 08:11 KartikPrabhu fair enough! good feedback nevertheless. I did realise that those icons might not be enough. but not sure how to solve the problem
# 08:12 prtksxna KartikPrabhu: Maybe have them lined up on one side? That way I'll always know where to look to find one, instead of having to jump from one paragraph ending another.
# 08:13 KartikPrabhu prtksxna: you feel that the diff positioning makes them seem irrelevant?
# 08:13 prtksxna Not irrelevant, just hard to find. They are also easier to miss because they are just outlines and not a full solid.
# 08:14 KartikPrabhu prtksxna: good point. I made the outline because it was more colour-blind friendly. I will think about it!
# 08:15 prtksxna KartikPrabhu: Very rare cases of colorblindness cause complete color blindness. If you keep your hues far apart there shouldn't be too much of a problem.
# 08:16 KartikPrabhu prtksxna: true. but my site is based on a green-red theme and I did have bear complain about it at indiewebcamp NYC :)
# 08:16 prtksxna KartikPrabhu: Ah! I am sure we can find a way around that :)
# 08:17 prtksxna (btw - see how its usually just one channel that is impaired)
# 08:17 prtksxna So you just want one normal and one active state, is that right?
# 08:17 KartikPrabhu prtksxna: yes. I do understand the mechanics of colour blindness but that does not mean I understand how to get around it :)
# 08:18 prtksxna Aha! Just switch it. Keeping it solid will make it noticeable and if its only outline on click people already know where it is.
# 08:19 KartikPrabhu prtksxna: hmm that is very good. the solid state will bring attention to it and people who have cliked are more likely to know that it will be in outline mode
minsky joined the channel
# 08:21 prtksxna KartikPrabhu: For a person who doesn't do much web-dev your website looks great. I like how crisp the type is :)
julian`` and minsky joined the channel
# 08:30 KartikPrabhu prtksxna: speaking of which you should have an about page on your site :)
# 08:31 julian`` hey any of you guys work with laravel much
# 08:33 prtksxna julian``: Haboo Hotel!! Is that…the game that 4chan once took over?
# 08:34 julian`` yeah i think so they raided that site a lot when i used to play when i was younger lol
# 08:35 prtksxna My internet connection was too bad to play it when it came out. I only heard of it much later. Looked like fun.
# 08:36 prtksxna The wiki wasn't lying when it said that this channel was friendly :)
reidab joined the channel
# 08:42 KartikPrabhu prtksxna: you do indieweb most things. you should get on the microformats+webmention thing
# 08:43 prtksxna I've known about these technologies for quite some time now (microformats at least)
# 08:44 KartikPrabhu prtksxna: to be fair microformats has been most used here on the indieweb to actually do something (like comments) rather than pander to search engines and SEO people
# 08:44 prtksxna Works takes up a lot of time. I'll probably get everything done over the holidays.
# 08:52 prtksxna I am coming to SF next month, I'll miss the event happening in December :(
# 08:52 KartikPrabhu prtksxna: if you find one another interested party you can have a home brew website club
# 08:54 KartikPrabhu yeah keep a look out for it. usually tantek and kylewm are at the SF one
Sebastien-L and petermolnar joined the channel
j12t joined the channel
# 09:22 julian`` does anyone know of any free services for managing email on my own domain? like the old outlook and google apps used to allow
# 09:26 petermolnar julian`` by managing mail you mean sending and receiving with your own domain?
# 09:27 julian`` and setting up new accounts would be cool though im not sure many sites would offer this service for free
# 09:28 petermolnar the cleanest way is to have a 5$/month Virtual Private Server from DigitalOcean with a small linux on it with, for example, Postfix + Dovecot
LauraJ and sanduhrs joined the channel
# 09:29 julian`` my site is already hosted at digitalocean so ill look into postfix and dovecot ty
# 09:32 KartikPrabhu julian``: fwiw I use my domain providers service to forward everything to my gmail. not the best indieweb solution but still it workd
# 09:32 petermolnar KartikPrabhu you could do that with a postfix + an alias file as well
# 09:33 KartikPrabhu petermolnar: oh did not know that. actually I don't know what hose mean even :P
# 09:34 petermolnar there are several Mail Transfer Agents ( MTA ) for short for linux; they are the "SMTP" servers, communicating ( sending and receiving ) mails from other hosts
# 09:35 petermolnar the IMAP servers are to serve the mails to the clients; the big names here are Cyrus and Docevot
# 09:35 KartikPrabhu petermolnar: of course. but a less technical alternative would be useful (even for what I've done)
KevinMarks_ joined the channel
# 09:37 petermolnar and there is also Virtualmin which can manage virtual hosts and mails as well
# 09:39 petermolnar experience from ~4 years ago are more or less invalid nowadays :)
# 09:44 petermolnar if only I could log in to the wiki :/ ( it's always freaking slow for me )
eschnou joined the channel
# 09:52 petermolnar is it just me or is anyone else having troube loggin in to indieauth?
# 09:53 julian`` mines freezing up
# 09:55 KartikPrabhu aaronpk: indieauth.com seems to be down. getting the "welcome to nginix page"
stream7 joined the channel
# 09:55 KartikPrabhu !tell aaronpk: indieauth.com seems to be down. getting the "welcome to nginix page"
# 09:55 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
friedcell, prtksxna and j12t joined the channel
glennjones and nloadholtes joined the channel
modem, michielbdejong, dns53, elf-pavlik, adactio, dch, j12t and petermolnar joined the channel
# 11:55 dch moin, looking at the iwc wiki its possible to login to the wiki via persona. Anybody have more details to share?
# 12:04 prtksxna dch: I hear that the auth was down, but I don't know much more.
# 12:04 dch I will try again in the new year :-)
# 12:31 elf-pavlik dch, AFAIK it uses https://indieauth.com/ so you just need rel="me" link on your website with href="mailto:name@domain.tld"
# 12:32 elf-pavlik this way indieauth will offer you mozilla persona as one of available options
mlncn-agaric, KartikPrabhu and hugoroyd joined the channel
# 12:51 hugoroyd hello, any known/brid.gy experts here? :)
sammachin and mlncn-agaric joined the channel
# 12:52 hugoroyd actually brid.gy tells me " No post links found "
# 12:57 hugoroyd michielbdejong: yeah but i see on other examples that it shuold work anyway
# 13:01 hugoroyd michielbdejong: i'm wondering :-á
# 13:01 hugoroyd michielbdejong: does it work on your Known instance?
# 13:01 hugoroyd maybe benwerd isn't using bridgy?
# 13:03 michielbdejong no, it's not working for me either. maybe i have my bridgy account misconfigured though
Sebastien-L joined the channel
# 13:05 hugoroyd michielbdejong: i replied ;)
wowaname joined the channel
# 13:10 hugoroyd michielbdejong: that's because your own original post was a reply to verge
# 13:10 hugoroyd so it's trying to send the mention to the verge
# 13:11 hugoroyd michielbdejong: i also replied from known, but it's not showing either :-/
# 13:11 hugoroyd michielbdejong: probably on known, i don't see where else
# 13:11 hugoroyd michielbdejong: which makes me wondering why it can't always get twitter feedback
# 13:12 michielbdejong you think it just scrapes my home page in search of a post with a similar text?
# 13:13 hugoroyd michielbdejong: oh, maybe it's trying to send the reply back to the verge too? That'd be confusing
# 13:15 michielbdejong it could tell my server that there is a reply to my tweet, instead of to my post
michielbdejong1, petermolnar, michielbdejong and j12t joined the channel
# 13:28 hugoroyd michielbdejong: can you help me file an issue about this?
# 13:29 hugoroyd btw michielbdejong ben from known was talking about remotestorage yesterday, but i'm not sure what he was trying to do
sanduhrs joined the channel
# 13:30 hugoroyd michielbdejong: any hint what i should describe? what's relevant?
# 13:30 hugoroyd michielbdejong: of course ;)
sdboyer joined the channel
friedcell joined the channel
# 13:58 GWG prtksxna: Yes. Wordpress Webmention
# 13:59 GWG petermolnar: Thank you, by the way
# 14:01 GWG I was using your FFPC plugin to get ideas on how to add to something I needed to get running quickly
# 14:04 GWG petermolnar: I'm not sure I want to do much in the way of caching plugin writing.
# 14:05 petermolnar approaching from nginx is another way, the issue is that many of the WordPress installations out there is still under apache
# 14:05 GWG Well, this is a specific use case. Many people using fastcgi caching under Nginx install the nginx-cache-purge module.
# 14:06 GWG This is based on something someone came up with to avoid it.
# 14:06 GWG You set a header to, when used, invalidate the cache
petermolnar joined the channel
# 14:10 GWG But, either way, I need to write up that technique. I don't think many people use it.
# 14:11 petermolnar if anyone case use a header to invalidate an entry it could be used for ddos
verdi_ joined the channel
# 14:13 GWG Yes. So far, no one has, but if it becomes more popular...
# 14:14 petermolnar my guess would be that no big fish used it yet, so no attack based on this yet
# 14:16 GWG I have to look at it to figure out how to restrict it.
# 14:16 GWG Nginx doesn't support nested ifs. They hate ifs in general
# 14:17 Loqi aaronpk: KartikPrabhu left you a message 4 hours, 21 minutes ago: indieauth.com seems to be down. getting the "welcome to nginix page"
# 14:22 aaronpk I don't think it would show the "welcome to nginx" page if it's down. it would show "bad gateway" or some other error
# 14:23 petermolnar I've been waiting on GET indieauth.com for a long time, no error, but no page either
danlyke joined the channel
elf-pavlik joined the channel
reedstrm joined the channel
j12t and shiflett joined the channel
minsky, gRegor`, j12t and yakker joined the channel
prtksxna joined the channel
snarfed joined the channel
# 15:43 snarfed firefox says the cert is only for edge.ampoliros.net
# 15:44 hugoroyd snarfed: yeah, i'm going to change that before the end of the year
# 15:45 hugoroyd snarfed: thanks for looking, if you need help from me/info, just ask
# 15:45 snarfed so, bridgy finds benwerd's original post on werd.io and sends responses back because it sees http://werd.io/ in his twitter profile, crawls it, and finds rel-syndication links
# 15:45 snarfed hugoroyd: it's not doing that for you in this case because ampoliros.net isn't in your twitter profile
# 15:47 hugoroyd snarfed: ha, that's annoying!
# 15:47 hugoroyd snarfed: does it work if i just add it in the description?
# 15:48 snarfed hugoroyd: i don't think so right now, but that's a good feature request. i'll check
friedcell joined the channel
# 15:52 adactio ben_thatmustbeme: Hmmm ...I don't know why Huffduffer isn't seeing your rel="me" links. Very odd. I'll look into it.
# 15:52 Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message on 10/21 at 5:40pm: perhaps the answer to the PWC/PSL dilemma/confusion is simple. Always post more content on the original on your own site, always link to the original since there is always more content there.
# 15:52 Loqi adactio: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message on 12/16 at 11:51am: any chance you can look in to why huffduffer isn't pulling in my "Elsewhere Links" from ben.thatmustbe.me
loic_m joined the channel
davidmead and eschnou joined the channel
wolftune, KartikPrabhu, tantek and snarfed joined the channel
# 17:03 ben_thatmustbeme hmm, i have been getting brid.gy backfeed for both with and without a trailing slash on my posts
# 17:08 GWG ben_thatmustbeme, isn't that good?
# 17:17 ben_thatmustbeme view source, has both with and without the slash, so it makes sense to send it twice, but why does it have both?
julian`` joined the channel
# 17:19 GWG I misunderstood. I thought you meant it was sending it whether it had or not, not twice.
minsky, loic_m_, loic_m and j12t joined the channel
# 18:00 kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: it is probably finding one directly in the body of your tweet and the other one based on the u-syndication links you publish
# 18:02 kylewm although I don't see where it would be getting without the slash
snarfed joined the channel
# 18:06 snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: sorry for the trouble! yeah, that can definitely be confusing
# 18:07 snarfed (in practice they're usually the same page, but technically they are different URLs, so bridgy's conservative)
# 18:07 snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: kylewm: my guess is actually that it's a redirect. if bridgy follows a redirect, it keeps both URLs in case the first was a short link
j12t joined the channel
# 18:10 Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: what exactly is the convention, remove the trailing / or leave it?
# 18:10 snarfed and in your case, actually i'm not sure where bridgy did find the url without slash. the fb post, short link, and u-url all have the slash.
davidmead joined the channel
martinBrown and pauloppenheim joined the channel
# 18:36 tantek ben_thatmustbeme: in general, if you can't justify something, drop it.
shiflett joined the channel
# 18:41 snarfed tantek: definitely! …in this case though, we're not sure that ben_thatmustbeme is doing anything wrong/redundant
# 18:45 snarfed (we're still not sure where bridgy is finding the one without)
# 18:46 tantek ben_thatmustbeme: regardless, as the receiver, per redirects, you're supposed to handle it
SRCR joined the channel
# 18:46 tantek bridgy's behavior in this case, while likely suboptimal / inefficient, is not "wrong" per se.
elf-pavlik joined the channel
# 18:53 ben_thatmustbeme also, my code doesn't return it as a redirect, it returns the same content as i treat them as the same URL
# 18:53 gRegor` I would recommend picking one or the other and redirecting.
# 18:55 aaronpk "DandyID lets you easily collect all of your online profiles in one convenient place and allows people to discover the real verified you across the web." <-- isn't that what your own website is for?
# 18:57 tantek aaronpk - you should know better than to look into patents
# 18:57 ben_thatmustbeme a more interesting issue though is now i'll need to look in to php-comments, a trailing / vs not trailing slash leads it to misinterpret it as a mention instead of a comment
# 18:57 aaronpk "trailing slash" is misleading. they are completely separate URLs
# 18:58 aaronpk the only exception is a raw domain has an implied slash since you can't have a full URL with no path
# 18:58 tantek aaronpk - and now that you've posted publicly about one in particular that mentions "social" which thus likely overlaps the W3C Social Web WG, you're obligated (per your agreement to the group) to disclose to the WG that you found that.
# 18:58 Loqi tantek meant to say: aaronpk - and now that you've posted publicly about one in particular that mentions "social" which thus possibly overlaps the W3C Social Web WG, you're obligated (per your agreement to the group) to disclose to the WG that you found that.
# 18:58 kylewm patents, because who wouldn't want to read technical documents written by non-technical lawyers
# 18:58 tantek aaronpk - as a CTO, you should know better than that :P
# 18:59 tantek unfortunately no heh about it - it can potentially be quite a painful mistake
# 18:59 kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: it's bridgy's markup that differentiates the slash as a mention, php-comments is doing the right thing
# 18:59 aaronpk it appears to be a patent for their website. the figures document their website signup flow and such
# 19:00 kylewm bridgy considers one the canonical original and the other a u-mention
# 19:00 tantek aaronpk - you're not listening. "you should know better than to look ***into*** patents"
# 19:01 tantek e.g. in this case being "too late" or implied, not.
# 19:01 tantek such absolute reasoning in real world situations often leads to errors in justification of actions (or lack of action)
# 19:04 tantek aaronpk, at this point I'm pretty sure the only remaining obligation you have is to email the Social Web WG with a heads-up about it, since you publicly admitted to discovering it and that it mentions "social" and "web".
# 19:07 tantek also as an op in this channel and indiewebcamp admin - if anyone else brings up anything about patents or a patent, I expect you to respond similarly as I did above to your statements.
wolftune joined the channel
# 19:08 aaronpk those obligations are specifically because of my W3C involvement though, yes? or do we need to worry about patent disclosures on the research going into the indiewebcamp wiki?
# 19:08 tantek we should likely make a similar policy about avoiding that on the indiewebcamp wiki as well
# 19:08 tantek I believe we have such a policy on microformats.org already
# 19:08 davidmead @tantek is whistle (url shortner) easy for a noob like me to get up & running?
# 19:12 davidmead @tantek as i’m kind of starting from scratch with the Known install i want to get ahead of this while i can. i used the Hum WP plugin which was really nice.
# 19:13 tantek Whistle works for permalinks which use dates, post type, and number of that post type, and specifically DO NOT depend on the slug
eschnou and minsky joined the channel
# 19:26 bret wow keybase has a ton of tech people now, lots of overlap with my twitter network
# 19:44 tantek ben_thatmustbeme: re: "my code doesn't return it as a redirect, it returns the same content as i treat them as the same URL" - I agree with gRegor` - you should redirect rather than serving duplicate content - which gets penalized by search engines
# 19:46 tantek I believe that's what the URL standard says to do to "fix" that URL
minsky joined the channel
# 19:48 tantek davidmead: that's a great start on Transition from Wordpress
# 19:48 tantek minor nit - the subheads should indicate their context since they get document wide permalinks
# 19:49 davidmead thanks @tantek. i’ve bookmarked the page, so i’ll update it as i go along.
# 19:52 gRegor` KartikPrabhu: HWC tonight? I could go either way on it at the moment, honestly.
# 19:53 gRegor` Yeah, guess we should do it. Work has me stressed out at the moment is all. Hopefully that passes. :)
# 19:53 gRegor` I can bring my Santa hat
# 19:54 tantek also - promote it with all the usual Chicago folks as the last HWC meetup of the year!
# 19:55 gRegor` We *are* the brute sq-- I mean, the usual Chicago folks. :)
# 19:55 gRegor` I'll post a note, though. Maybe Denton will make it finally!
# 19:58 gRegor` Mari is actually friends with Marcy, who provides our venue.
lupinedev joined the channel
# 20:00 gRegor` She's not made it yet, though. Rather busy, I take it.
# 20:03 gRegor` Ooh, that's the first I've noticed the new [mention] thingy. Nice.
# 20:04 gRegor` Annnd messed up the link.
# 20:04 aaronpk tantek: the new text is not specific to bridgy either!
# 20:04 gRegor` Opened a link and forgot to close it.
# 20:05 tantek aaronpk - cool! is that via webmention.io then? or indiewebcamp.com?
# 20:06 aaronpk and that sentence is being returned in the webmention.io API now too
# 20:06 snarfed thanks tantek! credit to aaronpk for taking my initial tweaks and improving them
# 20:07 snarfed (the brid-gy.appspot… link notifs before were pretty ugly and annoying)
Kopfstein joined the channel
# 20:08 gRegor` aaronpk: Should it parse the full URL instead of just the path? "/notes/2014/12/17/2/"
# 20:08 aaronpk gRegor`: what's the permalink for that post? let me take a look
# 20:10 aaronpk the ruby parser is slightly behind the php one, although has some nice convenience methods for dealing with it in code
# 20:18 bret are there abstract parsing languages that the different libraries can share?
KartikPrabhu joined the channel
minsky joined the channel
# 20:28 kylewm bret: want to write a reference parser in C that all the languages justneed to write bindings for?
# 20:29 bret kylewm: as long as it also compiles to js
Acidnerd joined the channel
# 20:50 aaronpk i mean it wuld require a node developer to have a php runtime for example
SRCR_ and SRCR joined the channel
minsky and GWG joined the channel
minsky and GWG joined the channel
j12t joined the channel
# 21:50 aaronpk snarfed: here is an example of what I was talking about ^
# 21:51 aaronpk because the URL in parens doesn't have the URL of the person who RT'd
# 21:51 snarfed aaronpk: oh sure. i still agree; for twitter, we should show their handle
# 21:52 snarfed i think i still vote for name instead of domain in the native (non-bridgy) case, but i could be swayed
# 21:52 aaronpk I think I agree. I want to find more exmaples of what that'd look like though
# 21:52 tantek is this use-case documented somewhere we can understand the context / iterations of design?
# 21:53 tantek since you're arguing "for name instead of domain"
# 21:53 tantek thread is no bueno. need documentation of current state.
# 21:54 tantek current state in this case is, current understood/known "best practice"
# 21:54 tantek that's the point of capturing it on the wiki!
# 21:55 tantek flux is an even stronger reason to capture current state
# 21:55 tantek otherwise all those kinds of discussions/reasonings are lost to minds that came up with them
# 21:56 aaronpk i think it's interesting that we're essentially creating an activity stream in sentences, but without any machine-readable markup or any intent on machines parsing the sentence
# 21:56 aaronpk instead we're deriving a human-readable sentence from the mf2 properties that exist on the object
# 22:00 tantek perhaps implying it may be possible to make that a reversible transform
# 22:01 tantek do you have documentation of that "deriving" somewhere?
# 22:01 tantek is that a reasonable framing and place to start that documentation ?
# 22:02 aaronpk we are taking h-entries and turning them into a human-readable sentence describing the h-entry
# 22:02 tantek (took me that long to even remotely understand the scope of what you were doing - to come up with a suggested page name for it!)
bitraten and lukebrooker joined the channel
smurthas joined the channel
# 22:16 tantek.com edited /POSSE (+79) "/* POSSE Destinations */ Plain Text Notes destinations could use h-entry to text, remove Articles section out of date todo empty section" (
view diff )
# 22:18 snarfed tantek: hmm, not sure that one is quite right. the existing IRC notif use case seems like the clearest so far
# 22:18 aaronpk maybe push notifications is not the best terminology. mobile notifications?
# 22:19 tantek like that list of things that popup on your mobile device in locked mode?
# 22:20 aaronpk i just didn't wnat to potentially confuse with "PuSH"
# 22:20 tantek do those show up on people's laptops when theyr'e in screen saver lock mode?
# 22:20 aaronpk but iOS, Android and Windows all call them push notifications
# 22:20 aaronpk I believe OSX has it too, also called push notifications
# 22:21 tantek might as well just call them "interruptive notifications"
# 22:21 bret aaronpk: yeah safari, chrome and FF support web notifications for open pages, but os x also supports apple push to desktop from web now I think
# 22:21 bret so the website does not need to be open
# 22:21 aaronpk growl notifications are usually not generated remotely, so it's borderline
# 22:22 bret growl was replaced by notification center i think
# 22:22 bret well, why use growl when your system has that function now?
# 22:23 tantek snarfed, you seem to know more about growl ;)
# 22:23 aaronpk anyway the thing people usually associate with "push notification" is that an app can send a message to your device without the app being open, and the notifications usually come from a remote service, not generated by the device
# 22:24 tantek so a "remote service" "can send a message to your device without the [remote service's] app being open" then?
# 22:24 Loqi notifications in the context of the IndieWeb refer to all forms and ways that an independent web site can receive a message indicating something of interest (server notifications), and potentially relay that information (preferably in realtime) to one or more devices used by the owner of that site (client notifications) https://indiewebcamp.com/notification
# 22:26 aaronpk now i'm leaning towards just keeping it as "push notification"
# 22:26 aaronpk and we can deal with talking about PuSH the plumbing explicitily
# 22:27 aaronpk yeah i'm reconsidering the usefulness of that edit
wolftune joined the channel
# 22:32 tantek good call. simple errors as an indicator of likely suboptimal reduced blood glucose levels.
pwcc, j12t and j12t_ joined the channel
LauraJ, shiflett and j12t joined the channel
j12t_ joined the channel
j12t joined the channel
amblin joined the channel
lukebrooker joined the channel