Timeline for What is the correct translation of the ending of 2 Peter 3:17?
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| Jul 5 at 22:19 | comment | added | Mark Vestal | When Paul says the believer is "sealed unto the day of redemption", you disagree then that God's "seal" can actually be broken by man? | |
| Jul 5 at 22:18 | comment | added | Mark Vestal | So although Paul is speaking to believing "brethren" here, if they have been deceived and forgotten God's grace (fallen), then they now lose the salvation that God previously gifted them...based on what THEY have done? Gal 5:7-10 "Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. 9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. 10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be." The "troubler" is the culprit here. | |
| Jul 5 at 22:05 | comment | added | Dottard | Absolutely!! I believe in salvation by Christ alone, through grace alone, by faith alone, as revealed in the scripture alone, to the glory of God alone. And that is the point - if one has fallen from grace, then there remains no mechanism for salvation at all. Therefore, one fallen from grace is not saved. | |
| Jul 5 at 21:24 | comment | added | Mark Vestal | @Dottard It is because falling from grace, and losing salvation mean different things. Question: Do you believe that one is saved (by God's grace) through having faith alone, and without any of our own works of righteousness? Basically, do you believe what Eph 2:8-9, and Eph 4:30 state? What exactly are you basing your hope for salvation on? | |
| Jul 5 at 20:47 | comment | added | Dottard | Then, how can one fall from grace without loosing salvation? | |
| Jul 5 at 16:48 | comment | added | Mark Vestal | @RayButterworth If someone falls from grace, they are returning to the attempt of establishing their own righteousness. A believer does not lose salvation if they do this. They are allowing Satan's "ministers of righteousness" to keep them from growing any further in God's grace. No, there is not salvation without God's grace. All have been gifted God's grace, but not all receive the gift...by faith. | |
| Jul 5 at 16:31 | comment | added | Ray Butterworth | "This verse is about falling from "grace" (verse 18)...not 'salvation'" — Are you saying that there is salvation without grace? How does falling from grace differ from losing salvation? | |
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| Jul 5 at 15:13 | history | answered | Mark Vestal | CC BY-SA 4.0 |