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"Btw, when searching in this forum, is there anyway to make the search date relevant, or do we have to look through all earlier answers trying to find the newest one?"
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When you search the Help forum, there are links you can click on, near the top of the page, to order the results by: relevant, # of replies, or most recent.
As for your question, I'm pretty sure flickr started giving admin rights to people who wanted to take over groups that have been abandoned. You have to contact staff with the relevant information.
Click this link:
www.flickrhelp.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
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Details of how to apply to be promoted to admin of the group are here: www.flickrhelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/12705426101012-Inact...
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How many members in the group? How many photos in the Group? Does the group have a limit of photos per day, or week, or month, etc.
Is the group by queue, or do photos appear as soon as a member adds them?
When was the group started, re: how may years of the admins time was invested in building the group?
Have you started a group of your own before? Do you know how much time is invested in creating a group?
Groups are the ultimate interaction of the flickr community. When I say community I mean the very vast amount of people on the site....billions!! from all corners of the earth. Some people spend an enormous amount of their personal time curating a group for many, many years....making it exactly how they want it. Its their group after all.
Maybe the person who started the group looks at it everyday. Maybe the email address is a Yahoo! address that no longer works.
Maybe try posting in the group threads that you are starting a similar group with some different rules, and explain the differences. Post a link to your new version of the group and invite members to join through that thread. Spend hours and hours of your personal time inviting photos and new people to your new group as well. That's the commitment it takes to get a good group going.
Maybe, just maybe the person who started that group loves it just the way it is.
Maybe the person passed a way and family members still visit it as remembrance.
flickr staff is not well known for working well in groups, and they used to leave them alone completely, because it is always someone else's work that went into it.
If the original admin knew how to start a group, they certainly knew how to leave it to someone, which they have not.
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How many members in the group? How many photos in the Group? Does the group have a limit of photos per day, or week, or month, etc.
Is the group by queue, or do photos appear as soon as a member adds them?
When was the group started, re: how may years of the admins time was invested in building the group?
Have you started a group of your own before? Do you know how much time is invested in creating a group?
Groups are the ultimate interaction of the flickr community. When I say community I mean the very vast amount of people on the site....billions!! from all corners of the earth. Some people spend an enormous amount of their personal time curating a group for many, many years....making it exactly how they want it. Its their group after all.
Maybe the person who started the group looks at it everyday. Maybe the email address is a Yahoo! address that no longer works.
Maybe try posting in the group threads that you are starting a similar group with some different rules, and explain the differences. Post a link to your new version of the group and invite members to join through that thread. Spend hours and hours of your personal time inviting photos and new people to your new group as well. That's the commitment it takes to get a good group going.
Maybe, just maybe the person who started that group loves it just the way it is.
Maybe the person passed a way and family members still visit it as remembrance.
flickr staff is not well known for working well in groups, and they used to leave them alone completely, because it is always someone else's work that went into it.
If the original admin knew how to start a group, they certainly knew how to leave it to someone, which they have not.
Or just contact staff, and ask to be promoted.
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what a shame. really.
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adobepremiere:
what a shame. really. There's no shame to it. Flickr isn't going to allow people to take over groups with active admin(s). But they have started to allow people to take over abandoned groups. Like groups where an admin hasn't had a single bit of Flickr activity in years. This allows new people to breathe life into dead groups, which is a positive.
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There is shame in giving someone control of another person's work, really
Anyone can start a group. Good ones take a ton of work. You shouldn't ever give that away. Its simply not fair.
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This allows new people to breathe life into dead groups, which is a positive.
Start a new one! with the new person's breath, not someone else's/
not fair, at all.
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The OP never said it was dead. They wondered if the rules could be changed/
Yes, by starting a new, similar group, on their own. simple
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adobepremiere:
There are tons of groups that are dumping grounds of irrelevant images. They become dumping grounds because nobody is around to kick them out. Those groups are ruined. A new, active admin can fix the problem.
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John Frattura:
You are way off topic. This thread is about changing the rules in a group. That should never, ever be the reason for someone to gain control. I know many groups that are dumping grounds with fully active admins
You start your own group if want control of a group. That is how it should always be, without exception, ever. Really. People actually pay money here to devote valuable personal time to create things. If someone is so blind that they can't appreciate that work...then they certainly don't deserve it for FREE!, ever.
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I myself have several accounts that have zero activity within them in the last 16 years. I am on flickr every single day. Would I respond to an email from someone asking to take over a group??
probably not. I would be rather insulted by the proposition.
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adobepremiere:
This thread is about changing the rules in a group.
I think you got this wrong.
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adobepremiere:
I think you misunderstood the original query, I believe the OP wanted to know if the rules governing taking over as admin had changed, there was no mention of changing group rules.
Flickr can tell if there has been any activity at all by an account, such as logging in, and they do not promote someone else to admin in the circumstances you describe, only if the original admin is genuinely 100% inactive and has been for years.
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John Frattura:
Thanks!
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Thanks, will do!
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That's how I interpreted it. I still believe very strongly that no one is entitled to someone else's group. They should have to endure the time and patience necessary to develop one on their own. They will grow to love it even more.
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Title of this thread...
No active admin, still old rules?
it's about rules, that what it says. I didn't write that, the OP did. No mention of dead group, or "dumping grounds". I got it right. Its my opinion, which I am entitled to. The OP didn't answer any of the questions asked. I hope flickr examines all possibilities before turning a group over to anyone, for free.
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If the OP was a mod or member from day one and contributed throughout the years of the group, it might help in their case. They provide zero information, they just want the group, and the members, and the photos....of someone else's doing. Not fair at all!
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adobepremiere:
it's about rules, that what it says. I didn't write that, the OP did. No mention of dead group, or "dumping grounds". I got it right. Its my opinion, which I am entitled to.
adobepremiere:
They provide zero information, they just want the group, and the members, and the photos....of someone else's doing. Not fair at all! Please relax. The "still old rules" part is referring to the "rule" that staff rarely got involved in groups, with a link to a 10 year old post stating such. For some reason you didn't understand that.
As far as them "providing zero information", they only need to provide that information to staff.
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adobepremiere:
You are in your right to think it is not fair, but I just want to explain is because I have a warm heart for this group and feel it is sad that there is no admin to keep a hand over it.
As John Frattura said, it is not the rules at that group I am asking about, but how to transition to a more active admin as flickr used to be very strict about that.
Btw, there is an environmental aspect of not making new groups all the time. Non-active groups, and maybe many of them are demanding space and electricity, so it is more sound to keep those that are already established. And I personally think flickr should be more concerned about that.
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Two choices: Leave the group or contact Flickr and take over the group. Set your own rules, change anything you want.
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take over the group. Set your own rules
The OP isn't asking how to change the rules of the group he belongs to, but what rules govern the taking over a group that seems to have an absentee admin.
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osloann:
This Help Center article should answer your questions: Inactive Group Takeover Process.
If not, please Contact Support, and we'll be happy to help.
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I seen a few hostile take over by new admins. When inactive admin leaves flickr. Some new admin will change the rule and original concept of the group. They didn't grow the group, now they got a lot of people, they make their silly rules. I think flickr should promote one of the active mods that the original admin promoted vs some random member taking over. The moderator should be next in line verse some random. Or some member that post a lot. Maybe pro users vs non pro.
I don't care for most of these groups so not a big deal to me.
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adobepremiere:
If they have abandoned the group, which happens a lot (and those abandoned groups often become porn/spam groups, because there is no one around to moderate), I think it’s totally legit to give it to a new mod. Flickr doesn’t really give the option of deleting a group, if you’re no longer interested in moderating it, and some mods don’t know they can close it (basically archiving what’s already there), and some don’t care to go through the effort, for whatever reason. I think a takeover by a good mod is a better fate for the group than becoming a porn/spam dump.
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There aren’t always other mods. In fact, I think it’s pretty rare.
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Any time a Flickr member (as opposed to Flickr staff) makes statements about how "most groups are this" or "many groups are that", no matter how experienced or knowledgeable they seem to be, I remember the parable of the blind men and the elephant. There are so many groups on Flickr that no ordinary member can possibly know the truth about any such claim. I am including myself in this.
One slightly paradoxical difference (from the parable) is that a Flickr member making broad claims probably is basing them on a lot of information (i.e. having seen many thousands of actual groups). But on the other hand, there are millions of Flickr groups. Even if you have seen thousands of them, that might be 0.1% or even less!
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